Gun Control: A Realistic Look

D Chapman

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Mongo said:
In all the gun debates, there has been little or no information, just opinion's, even at the governmental level. I can safely say this, the gunsmith who run's the shop where I take my guns to has been cleaned out his entire stock of AR and AK variant's, with most or all of the accessories that he had in stock. Dan, do you honestly think any of those who went on a spending spree are informed about that court case? Probably not and I don't think it's sending that clear of a message to the politicians. They (the politicians) are not concerned about us, the legal gun toting americans, they are doing whatever they can to get their 15 minutes with the rest of the morons and are not addressing the the true problem.
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Pretty much the same here, too. One of the larger shops sold 72 AR's in a matter of days. There are none to be found anywhere now. Not even a stripped lower.

But I actually do think a majority of the folks who went on a spending spree were informed. If they weren't, why did they run out and buy a gun? Obviously they had the knowledge of what's happening. I mean, your average Joe is not going to run out and buy a box of 30rd magazines just because. Is it fear mongering? Maybe. Is it a knee-jerk reaction? Maybe. Either way, they see and understand the threat.

I agree with you too that the politicians are going about this the wrong way. You and I may understand this. You and I may be willing to help defend our positions on the issue as well. In a very, very, minor way, you and I are helping to fix the problem by talking about the issue with facts, however amature that may be.

But then we have other groups of people. There's lots of other groups. Some have a reason to hate guns for 101 different reasons, then there are groups who believe what the media says as Church. Garrett fits into one of these groups, too. Garrett fits into the group that's going to sit back and do nothing and hope for the best. I don't believe Garrett is anti-gun or pro new gun laws. At least I don't think so. But I do think Garrett is naive to what's actually going on.
 
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Not informed about court cases and issues from previous years, just a knee jerk reaction to watching all the dumbshit politicians jump on the "assault weapons" bandwagon...

The solution, not sure, but creating laws and banning weapons will lead to a new millennium prohibition, but not with booze, but guns...

Garret, especially the really sexy one's of you and Justin...
 
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garrett said:
It doesn't get written by one person. It's "her" draft. It should be discussed, but lets see where this is going before jumping to all kinds of conclusions.

It's like sentencing someone before it gets to jury.

I sure hope you were as outspoken against GW and the Patriot Act.....not to mention his many other infringements on our Constitution.

But I'm no expert on the Constitution, privacy, war or any of that mumbo jumbo, so I shouldn't speak up. My bad.
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That's why I started the thread. To talk about it. Anyone who is advocating a run on Walmart does not agree with my thread on that subject that I did last week.

Honestly, I didn't speak out about GW till his second term when he started the stupid spending stuff. It took me a while to get through the Patriot Act, which I think I remember saying at first that it certainly plugs some holes that are needed, but that I didn't like the idea of another over-arching policing force, and that the limits on the Patriot Act must be established. I was not for it's second and... third now? incarnation -- it gets worse and worse every time because they just keep adding to it. That said, I do not believe the main issues that GW dealt with were Constitutionally flawed. Gitmo, not nice, but certainly a Constitutional gray area that really had not been dealt with before. Warrantless wiretaps as originally intended -- I have no problem with except for if they are done to Americans. I seem to remember that during the Bush years there were 3 Americans who were listened to, and they got their day in court. Now the limits have been removed by Obama (see NDAA 2012) and the Senate just yesterday turned down 4th Amendment protections against this program expanding to Americans.

I was very outspoken against Bush's bail-outs and unbridled spending.
 
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RBBailey said:
That's why I started the thread. To talk about it. Anyone who is advocating a run on Walmart does not agree with my thread on that subject that I did last week.
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I had to go to Wal-Mart today... They were the only place in town that had CLP, and I need it tonight to clean some weapons.

I came out feeling dirty. No, that doesn't cover it. Filthy is the word I'm looking for. I despise the place with a passion.

Interestingly enough, that actually had an AR on display, ready to sell. It was cheap shit, but it was there. I was not going to buy anything more than I absolutely needed from that hellish place, though, so it's still there.

I wouldn't spend a dime more than I need to in that place, even to make a profit. If I could make two grand on the damned thing tomorrow, I'll still not give them the satisfaction of a sale. I'd honestly rather burn the money.

Indeed, it's been years since I've even been inside one. Being surrounded by all that cheap crap and the nasty people that buy it offends me on a primal level.

Cheers,

Kennith
 
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I've proudly been to Walmart 3 times... only...

I started shopping for a gun on the day we had the shooting in the mall here, that Friday was the school shooting. I had not heard of the mall shooting till I got to the gun store and they were all talking about it... since then I have not been able to get to the counter without a 1-2 hour wait... so no new 9mm XD for me.
 
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RBBailey said:
Garrett - I called it a realistic look because this is a real bill that will be going to a real knee-jerk congress next month. The specific wording of the bill is not finished, which usually means more is being added to it even as we speak. If you think this is conspiracy theory talk, I'm not really even sure how to respond.

Also, if you would read my post about guns from last week you would see my personal views on knee-jerk reactions regarding guns.

I also see the black helicopters. My mom and a few other people told me about them and I never knew what to think till I saw them myself. Hovering over neighborhoods, greenways, etc... Then one day I actually found myself fueling one on the line at the airport. I think I might even have pictures. Turns out they were OH-58A and UH-60 National Guard birds with DEA and ATF agents on board. They were doing routine sweeps for drug and grow operations. They used IR gear to look for hot spots on homes and wooded areas.
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Ben-I had a friend in high school who was in the Air National Guard. His job was to put cameras on the aircraft,,,

Sadly, more and more often, we're seeing our Air National Guard subverted to providing surveillance... Just who are they surveilling... You and me.

This was back in the late '80s.

Not only have I seen black choppers, I have seen gray cargo aircraft with no "N" numbers, or any other identifying marks taking off from the local Air Guard base.

We know that "renditions" take place. Why is it that those of us who have seen such things are seen as wackos (ok, maybe I am a wacko, but I can't be the only one).
 
garrett

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kennith said:
Indeed, it's been years since I've even been inside one. Being surrounded by all that cheap crap and the nasty people that buy it offends me on a primal level.

Cheers,

Kennith
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I've been in them a handful of times each year when I am traveling, etc. The word I use is depressing. Honestly it makes you sad that this is "middle America". That isn't to say they are hard working people, doing their best to provide.

I was in NC for an event last summer and it was late and I didn't have any toothpaste. Wal Mart was open and it was around 10pm. It was some podunk town (Murphy), but I am pretty sure every soul in that town was at the Wal Mart. I had seen plenty of images from the website "People of Wal Mart" and at one point I thought someone was playing a joke, but there were quite a few people that looked like they came right out off that site. Not just sick, obese looking people - we're talking total freaks. Take PT and mix him with "Here Comes Honey Boo Boo" and you had a good cross section of this Wal Mart. I had never seen anything like it....ever.

I've been to Target a few times this holiday season. Are their products any better? Hardly I suppose. I assume it's more expensive, but the experience alone is worth the extra few bucks I will spend that day.
 
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garrett said:
I've been to Target a few times this holiday season. Are their products any better? Hardly I suppose. I assume it's more expensive, but the experience alone is worth the extra few bucks I will spend that day.
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Target is just a Walmart with a little class. The higher prices keep out most of the riff-raff.
 
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ptschram said:
After reading all the responses to this thread, it only strengthens my resolve.

I want a single-shot rifle. It will do what I want it to do. One shot at a time.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I do lust after a Browning '86 or a Ruger number one or three. I'll likely settle for a Handi-Rifle. Maybe a trap-door...
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How about a Browning 1885 in .22-250? Unfired NIB? :D
 
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jrose609 said:
How about a Browning 1885 in .22-250? Unfired NIB? :D
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That's it, '85, not '86.

I doubt I could afford one that nice Jason.

While I'd prefer 30-06 or 45-70, 22-250 would be very nice! And, I just happen to have dies, bullets, powder, primers, and lots of brass in 22-250. :D

My '98 Mauser in 22-250 has a Hugh Wyland barrel. He used to make them using a tractor to pull the rifling button through the barrel blank. As a young child, it was fascinating to think f such. As an adult, moreso.
 
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jrose609 said:
You are definitely high speed. I have a Remington 700 in 220 Swift, and it is a tack driver.:patriot:
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I've got the Remington 700 VS-SF in 220 Swift. It's pretty gaudy but its about as fun to shoot as it gets. With hand loads it's silly accurate.
 
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“I'm going to be putting forward a package and I'm going to be putting my full weight behind it,” said Obama in an interview aired on NBC’s “Meet the Press.” “I'm going to be making an argument to the American people about why this is important and why we have to do everything we can to make sure that something like what happened at Sandy Hook Elementary does not happen again.”

I'd rather have a knee-jerk reaction send me to Walmart than into tyranny.
 
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