Gun Control

[seventyfive]

Damn. Straw man, much?

Here you go:

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/

in your opinion it is a straw man argument. from my point of view the only argument being made is 'someone is going to harm me, so i always need a gun'.

brian asked me what am i going to do if everyone is armed except me.

combine the two and it reads 'i am always viewed as a victim and everyone has guns' i.e. everyone is armed and out to get me.

in all seriousness how do you interpret the posts in this thread? and from an honest open minded view point, ignore your personal mind set.

 

[seventyfive]

Let's start with mandatory minimum sentencing:
Steal a gun during a robery: 10 years minimum
Commit a felony with a gun: 25 years minimum
Someone is killed during the commission of a felony with a gun: life in prison, no parole.

Then we can talk about limiting guns.

i have been saying this for years. or make ammunition the price of cigarettes or micro brew and make it illegal to make your own ammo? or does 'arms' also refer to ammo based upon the supreme court's definition?

 

[brian4d]

in your opinion it is a straw man argument. from my point of view the only argument being made is 'someone is going to harm me, so i always need a gun'.

brian asked me what am i going to do if everyone is armed except me.

combine the two and it reads 'i am always viewed as a victim and everyone has guns' i.e. everyone is armed and out to get me.

in all seriousness how do you interpret the posts in this thread? and from an honest open minded view point, ignore your personal mind set.

Mike, it doesn't take a doomsday prepper to acknowledge Luck is when preparation meets opportunity.

In the case your preparation is owning/carrying a concealed firearm and opportunity being defending yourself or your family from harm. Keep in mind this just gives you luck. I'm not a quick draw professional or sharp shooter. Bullets can misfire and guns can jam. This reminds me, I need to visit the range this weekend.

 

[stu454]

in your opinion it is a straw man argument. from my point of view the only argument being made is 'someone is going to harm me, so i always need a gun'.

brian asked me what am i going to do if everyone is armed except me.

combine the two and it reads 'i am always viewed as a victim and everyone has guns' i.e. everyone is armed and out to get me.

in all seriousness how do you interpret the posts in this thread? and from an honest open minded view point, ignore your personal mind set.

Read all of that again, but slowly.

The jump you've made is so large that Waylon Jennings should narrate it.

Let me give it a go: Because I choose to arm myself, I believe that someone is out to get me. As opposed to having accepted the fact that there are some terrible people in the world and choosing to never be at their mercy.

Got it.

 

[Blue]

There has to be data on this. If I'm in a confrontation and I have a gun, am I more or less likely to walk away?

Jesus, are you really this fucking stupid? Please tell me you?re joking.

 

[Blue]

Gun banners are trying to unring a bell. Until they understand that, we will get nowhere on this issue.

Bingo! We have a winner.

 

[mjbrox]

That?s why Canada is a shithole and the people who live there are pussies.

by what measure?

 

[seventyfive]

Read all of that again, but slowly.

The jump you've made is so large that Waylon Jennings should narrate it.

Let me give it a go: Because I choose to arm myself, I believe that someone is out to get me. As opposed to having accepted the fact that there are some terrible people in the world and choosing to never be at their mercy.

Got it.

so if you were attacked by an unarmed person you would still shoot them?

 

[seventyfive]

by what measure?

nevermind daniel regarding canada. he's never said that to some burly quebecois face to face...but i would pay to see it!

 

[D Chapman]

Of course, and read on.. Although the cowboys here probably prefer a good ol' over-my-dead-body shoot-out type seizure. Maybe he can make that happen.

Isn?t this what your people do every night in shitholes such as Chicago and New Orleans?

 

[D Chapman]

all the facts and statistics are fine until you start talking about INNOCENT CHILDREN being murdered. i don't care if every single american owns a gun, like myself, and there are zero murders involving a gun.

when a society accepts children being murdered and our elected officials do absolutely nothing to prevent the next one as in whatever it takes to prevent the next one, i will say we care more about guns than our children. until children are no longer victims of a cunt with a gun are we really such a great nation?

see this is what upsets me. if a group of children are murdered anywhere, gun free zone, library, museum, park, etc that should make anyone sick to the fucking stomach, stop everything, and fix it.

instead we put up all these statistics about how having guns makes our society so safe.

like i always reply to gun nuts. chris kyle was murdered at gun range surrounded by armed individuals and it did not prevent his murder. more guns did not save his life. he was murdered by a veteran, who most of you say would be the best people to guard our schools!!

You have the option to home school.

 

[wjsj69]

Bravo! I was wondering when this topic would pop up! Love it! Two days and 5 pages already! Glad to see all the common sense showing (mostly) through. I'm very happy that all the sensationalism on the national news does not seem to be gaining any ground with the "common sensers" among the people I know and on these forums. If anything, the sentiment seems to be getting stronger, the more the control issues get pushed. My favorite idea is this: The fact that the government wants to take our guns is precisely why the 2nd amendment was written. ..Pretty black and white. -Just doesn't leave any room for any fucking with. Examples of what can happen when the gov't overreaches: Ruby Ridge and Waco. Not that there may have been violations happening, but excessive force, using military against our own people, execution of innocents (women/children) without due process, etc.? WTF?!? Heads should have rolled after that bullshit. And all the boldface lies in the investigations afterwards? They got away with it then. Can it happen again? I love hearing about the increased gun sales after the tragedies. I hope they're paying attention..

 

[seventyfive]

You have the option to home school.

dude, you've met home school kids. i'd rather have a kid with a bullet wound than a home schooler.

 

[D Chapman]

blue calls some of pussies, but the irony is back when i was growing up in jersey we didn't use guns. we used ball bats or tire irons. we used fists and feet.

to me anyone using a gun on an unarmed person or 'intruder' is a pussy.

I agree. But then you gave your kid an iPad at the dinner table, didn?t let him/her play in the street after dusk, and never showed them how to fix the chain in their bike because they never rode their bike. Now we have kids who cannot fight, cannot deal with emotion, and want to kill someone because their feelings got hurt. But it?s the guns fault.

 

[seventyfive]

Nope. Gave both of. Them hockey sticks.


I like you put a lot of the blame on parents. We don't have snowflakes because of the government. We have snowflakes because the parents do what they are told and don't question conformity.

Don't fat shame
Don't make fun of queers
Don't go far from home there's strangers out there
Don't ride a bike you'll get hurt
Always walk away from a fight
ALWAYS call someone to fix everything


Parents nowadays are fucking twats.

 

[seventyfive]

Accountability is the failure of responsibility. We don't hold parents accountable.

 

[ERover82]

Now we have kids who cannot fight, cannot deal with emotion, and want to kill someone because their feelings got hurt.

It can not be the gun's fault and still be stupid to make access to weapons easy for these kid who "want to kill".

 

[Blue]

It can not be the gun's fault and still be stupid to make access to weapons easy for these kid who "want to kill".

I completely agree. Access to weapons for these losers should not be easy.

Now how to go about making access impossible or at least extremely difficult....

 

[ERover82]

Ruby Ridge and Waco..

Funny people still think their little guns are going to stand a chance against tyranny. SWAT will have you on your chest before you finish that bite of TV dinner.

I keep my pistol for the lone wacked out meth head who tries my house, not for delusions of going rambo on the gubment.

 

[Ballah06]

so if you were attacked by an unarmed person you would still shoot them?

Think you are twisting this a bit. Having a gun and being presented with a certain situation gives one a choice to decide whetether to use deadly force. Not having a gun, kind of takes some options away. I don't think anyone here so far suggests just indiscriminantly shooting some unarmed perp when lesser means would do.
Carrying any weapon comes with a responsibility. If I know I can avoid a situation safely, even if my 'pride' is damaged, I will alwas choose that, as I have in the past; if however I do see signs that shit is going to go south, then it's a different story...