Don't forget with a $0.585 per mile expense allowance from the IRS, your rover is actually saving you money on your taxes!
jim-00-4.6 said:What's the expected battery life for a Prius again?
Toyota apparently warranties them for close to 150,000 miles.
And Toyota claims that not one has required a battery replacement due to malfunction or "wearing out." The only replacement batteries sold--at the retail price of $3000--have been for cars that were involved in accidents. Toyota further claims that the nickel-metal hydride (NiMH) battery packs used in all Prius models are expected to last the life of the car with very little to no degradation in power capability.
According to Toyota, the life of the Prius battery pack is determined more by mileage than by time, and it has been tested to 180,000 miles. Supporting this are first- and second-generation Prius taxis in Canada that have reportedly traveled more than 200,000 miles without suffering any battery problems.
Actually, my 2000 Range Rover is a Low Emission Vehicle.Kavic said:...
There is a major value to this car in VA that allows you to drive in the HOV lanes with this Ultra-Low emissions vehicle.
Robbie said:anyone else ever gone to the hardware/lumber store, bought your goods, walked out and realized you brought the sedan instead of the rover and your shit won't fit? bought a simple piece of 4'x4' plywood a few weeks ago and that happened. thankfully i actually needed it in 2'x'4 sections so they just cut it in half and i was able to put the embarrassment behind me.
nosivad_bor said:Civic hybrid is only 21k so its barely more than the normal car. I am not buying a hybrid to save on gas money. Frankly the rise in gas has not effected me cause I don't drive much. My motivation is this, I want a passenger car so I can preserve my Discovery. I want a car that I will not be embarrassed to pick up customers with or drive to a funeral in. I want the maximum gas mileage while not compromising comfort. If I want others to change their habits then I must also change my habits and that is the reason I want a fuel efficient car, ultimately I don't really care if its a hybrid or not, but I do like the fact that the hybrid is super low emissions, you can practically breath out of the tailpipe. :drool:
adriatic04 said:its the same "feel good" marketing scheme (math) that Chrysler is using in this dumbass 2.99 gas crap. Who in their right mind would take that offer over the other incentives that are out there on a new vehicle.
LR Max said:Mountain biking to work > everything else as long as its not raining
p m said:Rob, what happened to that diesel Jetta?
Screw the Prius, and Civic along with it.
I can save more gas if I replace TH400 in my Wagoneer by a 4L80.
ptschram said:No, walking across the backyard to go to work>any other commute!
Blue said:Math is no mystery folks. I think Rob has the right approach...he is not replacing a perfectly good car with a hybrid; simple math shows that this is a complete waste of money under normal circumstances. He is in the market for an additional car and he's shopping with economy and price point in mind. The Civic hybrid is one of the cheaper hybrids out there. It's up to him to decide if the premium charge for the hybrid technology in the Civic vs. the plain jane Civic is worth it to him.
Here's how I analyze it (all numbers taken from Honda USA website):
The 2008 Civic Sedan base MSRP is $15,010.
The 2008 Civic Hybrid Sedan base MSRP is $22,600.
That's a $7,590 premium for the hybrid technology.
The "gas savings" for the hybrid vs standard Civic is as follows:
Standard Civic = 30 mpg (average of city/highway per website).
Hybrid Civic = 43 mpg.
Assumptions: 13,000 miles per year; gas costs $4.00/gallon.
Hybrid will save $524 per year based on above data.
What it all comes down to is that people buy a hybrid for emotional reasons, not monetary reasons.
JSQ said:Fuckin A, rawb.
Just get a Range Rover.
nosivad_bor said:Here is where you are wrong. You are comparing the base vehicle to the hybrid. I'd never by the cheapest base vehicle. I'd always want the automatic and some of the other upgrades that come on the Hybrid.
My dealer has two civics I would consider they are 2k away from each other in price. not $7500
If it's a Giant Squid and one of those cool looking Wood Ducks, I'll take one.rovercanus said:I'm trying to develope my own hybrid. I'm thinking something with goats and monkeys but I'm also looking into maybe a squid/duck fusion.
Blue said:P.S. at least the Civic (standard & Hybrid) is a decent looking car. The Prius is the ugliest thing to hit the road since Rob's beloved Aztec.
Blue said:True, I have no idea what might be on the "base" Hybrid that would cost extra on over the most basic non-hybrid model. If they are only $2k apart in price then you're down to about 4 years in make-up time. That's more reasonable but it's still basically a wash. What would be really cool (and a viable selling point) is if you could say, "after 2 years I am actually saving money with my hybrid."
P.S. at least the Civic (standard & Hybrid) is a decent looking car. The Prius is the ugliest thing to hit the road since Rob's beloved Aztec.