How's that Prius look now?

landrovered

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Don't forget with a $0.585 per mile expense allowance from the IRS, your rover is actually saving you money on your taxes!
 

Kavic

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jim-00-4.6 said:
What's the expected battery life for a Prius again?
Toyota apparently warranties them for close to 150,000 miles.

I don't recall getting a warranty like that but this article has the following statments:

And Toyota claims that not one has required a battery replacement due to malfunction or "wearing out." The only replacement batteries sold--at the retail price of $3000--have been for cars that were involved in accidents. Toyota further claims that the nickel-metal hydride (NiMH) battery packs used in all Prius models are expected to last the life of the car with very little to no degradation in power capability.

According to Toyota, the life of the Prius battery pack is determined more by mileage than by time, and it has been tested to 180,000 miles. Supporting this are first- and second-generation Prius taxis in Canada that have reportedly traveled more than 200,000 miles without suffering any battery problems.


For what's its worth, I average 48 mpg summer and winter and a little over 50 mpg spring and fall. I've had mine 5 years and drive 21K per year and the only maintenance I've had to pay is the 30/60/90K maintenance and tires. I'll probably need brakes at 120K. The plan is use it to commute until it dies.

There is a major value to this car in VA that allows you to drive in the HOV lanes with this Super Ultra Low emissions vehicle.
 
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Kavic

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Robbie said:
anyone else ever gone to the hardware/lumber store, bought your goods, walked out and realized you brought the sedan instead of the rover and your shit won't fit? bought a simple piece of 4'x4' plywood a few weeks ago and that happened. thankfully i actually needed it in 2'x'4 sections so they just cut it in half and i was able to put the embarrassment behind me.

yes, and I had to call home to get measurements so I could cut it at the store.
 

kennith

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I'm still undecided on my next car purchase, but I did test drive a Miata yesterday.

That thing was nice. The guy let me take it to a nice twisty country road outside of the city, and I was pretty much hooked. The new models really have class, both inside and out.

If I had walked in there with the money to buy it yesterday, we would not have got back to the dealer until that needle was on empty. Everything falls right to hand, everything is where it is supposed to be. It has a wonderfully short shift, the clutch is tight, and despite being alarmingly cozy, it is quite comfortable. Even with my dodgy back I can fold out of it with dignity. As for handling, it is telepathic. The steering is lightning quick, but never twitchy. Well before you approach any limit at all, you can feel the tires progressively letting you know precisely what they are up to.

I've driven lots of cars that had more grip than this one, and more power, but none of them were as much fun. This MX5, to me, was like a four wheeled jet ski. It is impossible not to have fun on a jet ski. I could feel that it was never going to bite me, it was never going to jump out of the apex and go "BOO!". The visibility is great as well, and the engine bay is sorted out for easy work.

I don't see it saving any money over a more normal car, though, as even a short trip in this thing is going to turn into a quest for fun roads.

I'm digging the new folding metal roof, as I don't really have much of a desire to have the top down, and a fabric roof is a bad idea in such a crime-prone area. This way, I don't have to find a place to store an optional hardtop if I do ever put the top down.

I still don't know precisely what I am going to end up with, but the smooth ride, fun performance, and general all around lovableness of that darned Miata aren't going to be forgotten any time soon. I may just get one.

On a side note, I did have a look at the new Challenger, which I think looks great. I wasn't there to consider buying one, though, just to look at it. In my opinion, it should have been a bit smaller. The thing looked like a Superbird crammed into that showroom. I was actually a bit disappointed, as though the shape is great, it needs to be smaller to look right. Some shapes can only be so big. Still, the quality is great for Chrysler, it is a well made car.

Cheers,

Kennith
 

JSQ

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nosivad_bor said:
Civic hybrid is only 21k so its barely more than the normal car. I am not buying a hybrid to save on gas money. Frankly the rise in gas has not effected me cause I don't drive much. My motivation is this, I want a passenger car so I can preserve my Discovery. I want a car that I will not be embarrassed to pick up customers with or drive to a funeral in. I want the maximum gas mileage while not compromising comfort. If I want others to change their habits then I must also change my habits and that is the reason I want a fuel efficient car, ultimately I don't really care if its a hybrid or not, but I do like the fact that the hybrid is super low emissions, you can practically breath out of the tailpipe. :drool:

Fuckin A, rawb.

Just get a Range Rover.
 

az_max

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its the same "feel good" marketing scheme (math) that Chrysler is using in this dumbass 2.99 gas crap. Who in their right mind would take that offer over the other incentives that are out there on a new vehicle.


I pointed this out in another thread. It's like $2000 over the course of two years (with gas around $4/gal). Or get up to $5000 off the price with rebates. After factoring in financing, you're a fool not to take the rebate.
 

LR Max

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New vehicles really aren't that durable. I saw a Nissan Titan bumper cave in while being lightly kicked. The bumper off my old honda has more metal on it than that stupid truck bumper. That poor honda has hit so much on the road. Knocking the legs off a table that was upside down was probably the worst I've ever done to it.

It let me know it was pissed. Threw 5th gear out the side of the transmission.

As for the debate on MPG:

Mountain biking to work > everything else as long as its not raining :p
 

Roverlady

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I had a response here somewhere, but must have forgotten to submit!

1. I hate the Prius. Every one I see is pea green and the owners are driving 15-20mph under the speed limit.

2. I just saw two more green ones when I went out for lunch!

3. I'd go Toyota Avalon or Camry Hybrid maybe (atleast it's a decent looking/riding car) but I'm not a Honda girl.

4. ROB-buy an old Mercedes 240/300 Diesel for cash and convert it to Biofuel. Then it will be something nice enough (um, unless you find one falling apart) to be presentable, have character and get decent mileage. I wish like hell I still had my old '81 for a daily driver.
 

LR Max

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ptschram said:
No, walking across the backyard to go to work>any other commute!

Touche good sir. Back when I drove the city bus I'd ride a skateboard to work since the station was near my apt.

OT PS: That transfer case you sold me years ago still works and is awesome :D
 

nosivad_bor

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Blue said:
Math is no mystery folks. I think Rob has the right approach...he is not replacing a perfectly good car with a hybrid; simple math shows that this is a complete waste of money under normal circumstances. He is in the market for an additional car and he's shopping with economy and price point in mind. The Civic hybrid is one of the cheaper hybrids out there. It's up to him to decide if the premium charge for the hybrid technology in the Civic vs. the plain jane Civic is worth it to him.

Here's how I analyze it (all numbers taken from Honda USA website):

The 2008 Civic Sedan base MSRP is $15,010.

The 2008 Civic Hybrid Sedan base MSRP is $22,600.

That's a $7,590 premium for the hybrid technology.

The "gas savings" for the hybrid vs standard Civic is as follows:

Standard Civic = 30 mpg (average of city/highway per website).

Hybrid Civic = 43 mpg.

Assumptions: 13,000 miles per year; gas costs $4.00/gallon.

Hybrid will save $524 per year based on above data.

What it all comes down to is that people buy a hybrid for emotional reasons, not monetary reasons.

Here is where you are wrong. You are comparing the base vehicle to the hybrid. I'd never by the cheapest base vehicle. I'd always want the automatic and some of the other upgrades that come on the Hybrid.

My dealer has two civics I would consider they are 2k away from each other in price. not $7500
 

jhmover

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"Then you have Chevy's new ad for pickups. "Over 490 miles per tank" WTF does that mean? Never any mention of the gas mileage just how far you can go between stops to unload your bank account into the gas pump filling that humongous tank."

I had a 88 GMC pickup would go over 490 on a tank, so what's new about that? Problem with that ad is mine had like a 35 gallon tank. Talk about bullshit advertising. Then throw in 2 blown rear ends and 4 transmissions (ahh that GM quality).

That's why I don't complain about my Disco, compared to that GMC POS it's a reliable car.
 

Blue

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nosivad_bor said:
Here is where you are wrong. You are comparing the base vehicle to the hybrid. I'd never by the cheapest base vehicle. I'd always want the automatic and some of the other upgrades that come on the Hybrid.

My dealer has two civics I would consider they are 2k away from each other in price. not $7500

True, I have no idea what might be on the "base" Hybrid that would cost extra on over the most basic non-hybrid model. If they are only $2k apart in price then you're down to about 4 years in make-up time. That's more reasonable but it's still basically a wash. What would be really cool (and a viable selling point) is if you could say, "after 2 years I am actually saving money with my hybrid."

P.S. at least the Civic (standard & Hybrid) is a decent looking car. The Prius is the ugliest thing to hit the road since Rob's beloved Aztec.
 

agbuckle98

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I'm trying to develope my own hybrid. I'm thinking something with goats and monkeys but I'm also looking into maybe a squid/duck fusion.
If it's a Giant Squid and one of those cool looking Wood Ducks, I'll take one.
 

nosivad_bor

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Blue said:
True, I have no idea what might be on the "base" Hybrid that would cost extra on over the most basic non-hybrid model. If they are only $2k apart in price then you're down to about 4 years in make-up time. That's more reasonable but it's still basically a wash. What would be really cool (and a viable selling point) is if you could say, "after 2 years I am actually saving money with my hybrid."

P.S. at least the Civic (standard & Hybrid) is a decent looking car. The Prius is the ugliest thing to hit the road since Rob's beloved Aztec.

Let us not forget I've actually purchased a brand new Cobalt.