INEOS Grenadier

Blue

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Been looking a few more recent reviews. Sounds like this thing will start at more like $65K and end up at $75K for the ones we would prefer.
 

Tugela

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Yeaup, they're old now. My LR4 turns 10 this year, it doesn't seem that old. Most of the 3s are well on their way to (and a lot already passed) 200k... which says a lot about the platform. I missed out on an 07 LR3 HD with ~40k miles before I bought my LR4, but the 5.0 is a lot more special. If I had more than one car I would have been less inclined to go with the LR4. It "does it all" better than the 3 does. Including maintenance and breakdown anxiety... so I guess what I'm saying is it's a great Rover.
Interesting. I bought my LR3 instead of an LR4 for exactly these reasons: the reliability of the 4.4 compared to the 5.0. Maybe I was biased from reading too many horror stories about timing chain tensioner guides and coolant crossover pipes. My LR3 is at 170,000 miles and ran flawlessly on an 11,500-mile road trip a couple years ago. Eventually it will become more hassle to maintain than I'm willing to stomach, but by then Ineos will have worked out the kinks in the early Grenadiers and I'll be ready to take that plunge.
 

Blueboy

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My LR3 is at 170,000 miles and ran flawlessly on an 11,500-mile road trip a couple years ago. Eventually it will become more hassle to maintain than I'm willing to stomach,
My feeling is if the body of a Rover is basically rust free mechanical stuff can always be repaired. Of course as you know I’m basing this on a ‘94 RRC and a ‘96 D1 plus have other cars to drive while they’re in the shop. While the allure of a “newer” vehicle like the Grenadier is there driving either Rover still brings a smile.
 

Tugela

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My feeling is if the body of a Rover is basically rust free mechanical stuff can always be repaired. Of course as you know I’m basing this on a ‘94 RRC and a ‘96 D1 plus have other cars to drive while they’re in the shop. While the allure of a “newer” vehicle like the Grenadier is there driving either Rover still brings a smile.
Right there with you. Which is why I plan to take my 1998 LSE to the grave with me. I find the amount of technology in newer cars to be intrusive to the point of distraction (or needlessly complex - looking at you, Mercedes). You can turn most of that crap off, but you're paying for features you'll never use. I'm all in favor of improved mechanical safety technology but I don't need the car to beep at me, vibrate the steering wheel, or push me back into my lane when I'm trying to avoid a pothole. Since I only drive about 5,000 - 7,000 miles per year on average, my LR3 still has a lot of life left. Also, I'm generally of the mindset of buy high quality things, take care of them, make them last, and thereby consume less.
 
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My wife has a 2021 MB GLC 300. Nice little SUV, perfect for her needs. She loves it and I always tell her how beautiful and nice it is but I secretly hate it with a passion. So many buttons, interfaces, and steps to go through to change a radio station or climate control. First button you have to push after pushing the start button is the "stop shutting the fucking car off at stoplights" button. Then getting it to move is a learning experience...PRNDL controls are a stalk on the steering column where wiper controls usually live. Putting it into park requires you to push a button on the end of the stalk. Who the fuck comes up with this shit? Want to change the volume? Well scroll to this menu on the touchscreen, touch here for the sub-menu, go over here, do this, do that, there's your volume. Or, for some reason, there's a little scrolly wheel in the center console that turns it up & down. And there's another scrolly wheel on the steering wheel. What happened to 1 knob on a fucking stereo face? Then the actual driving experience is shit. The 4-cylinder turbo hyperdrive is either 90% off or 110% on. It'll get up and go but feels about as refined as a kick in the balls.

But her stereo does work which is more than I can say for my LR4.
 

pinkytoe69

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PRNDL controls are a stalk on the steering column where wiper controls usually live. Putting it into park requires you to push a button on the end of the stalk. Who the fuck comes up with this shit?

It's the typical new age overly complicated retro version of the column shifters from the '60s and '70s 😁

And yeah I hate those things even when they're there in the normal shifter spot. I totally understand how the Star Trek dude got run over and killed by this interface.

But her stereo does work which is more than I can say for my LR4.

🤣
 

Eliot

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Right there with you. Which is why I plan to take my 1998 LSE to the grave with me. I find the amount of technology in newer cars to be intrusive to the point of distraction (or needlessly complex - looking at you, Mercedes). You can turn most of that crap off, but you're paying for features you'll never use. I'm all in favor of improved mechanical safety technology but I don't need the car to beep at me, vibrate the steering wheel, or push me back into my lane when I'm trying to avoid a pothole. Since I only drive about 5,000 - 7,000 miles per year on average, my LR3 still has a lot of life left. Also, I'm generally of the mindset of buy high quality things, take care of them, make them last, and thereby consume less.

The LR3 has a nice balance of technology, its reliable, but it's old enough to have switches and dials for everything. And with the SE, you don't have a display screen to get dated.

I don't need the car to beep at me, vibrate the steering wheel, or push me back into my lane

I just won't buy a car with lane control. It drives me crazy.
 

Eliot

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That's an odd statement, when the only time lane control goes off is if you've left your lane. You hate being reminded you've crossed the center line?

Absolutely

I know what I'm doing and why, there are times where it makes sense to cross the center line.
 

pinkytoe69

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Absolutely

I know what I'm doing and why, there are times where it makes sense to cross the center line.

My friend is a commercial airline pilot.

He says (pre the latest 737 shit) Boeing makes planes with the mindset that pilots are awesome.

Airbus makes planes with The mindset that pilots are idiots.

I think Insurance companies are incentivizing consumers, and thus automakers, to roll with the latter...
 

DiscoHasBeen

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Absolutely

I know what I'm doing and why, there are times where it makes sense to cross the center line.
Yes, when like passing. So if going to pass, and turn on the turn signal, my Taco doesn't prompt me to stay in lane.

Coming up to a signal the other day I miss judged how many cars were in front of the car before me. So I didn't expect him to stop as soon as he did. And I was somewhat distracted by a fight at the convenience store on the corner. TSS saved my ass. Also, my insurance for a 2023 vehicle is really cheap. I'd assume the safety features of the vehicle has something to do with that?