INEOS Grenadier

Tugela

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My wife said to just buy one but I just don’t want to deal with all the shitty electronics.
My household is in full agreement on this point. Modern electronics, for all their good intentions, are often a distraction from the driving experience and can also be a hassle in the reliability department. Even a D2 has more electronics than I want.
 

luckyjoe

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Oct 10, 2004
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My household is in full agreement on this point. Modern electronics, for all their good intentions, are often a distraction from the driving experience and can also be a hassle in the reliability department. Even a D2 has more electronics than I want.
Yeah, electronic overhead. By mistake I left our Honda electrics on for a long time (engine not running) and it wouldn't start. The battery was 11.64V, but this is apparently below the voltage the ECU shuts-down the option to start.
 

kennith

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Apr 22, 2004
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Yeah, electronic overhead. By mistake I left our Honda electrics on for a long time (engine not running) and it wouldn't start. The battery was 11.64V, but this is apparently below the voltage the ECU shuts-down the option to start.
You ought to see how bad the electronics are in a manual GTI. They're the most intrusive systems I've ever encountered.

I'm going to stick with my Cybertruck order unless it changes too much. It's impossible for that vehicle to be any more annoying than a conventional modern automobile, and I get... Well, everything out of it; including that impossible manner of acceleration I've always wanted. I'm actually a fan of the old-school CVT.

When this many electronics are in the way of enjoying your internal combustion engine, it's a matter of hardheadedness to even buy one.

Fuck that. I'm going full retard. Everyone else can go try to find a car that doesn't suck now. I'm just going to clear the shop and pick away at building something that's dinosaur-powered my way, and in the meantime drive around in a brutalist sculpture that takes off like a rocket, tows a Rover, hauls anything I want, and goes on the beach.

Honestly, that's what I wanted to begin with. I just didn't think the answer would be electric.

Cheers,

Kennith
 

Blue

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Mar 26, 2004
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My household is in full agreement on this point. Modern electronics, for all their good intentions, are often a distraction from the driving experience and can also be a hassle in the reliability department. Even a D2 has more electronics than I want.
I also hate all the touchscreens and beeps and chimes and all that bullshit, but what I'm really talking about is the fact that you buy this truck because it's comfortable on road, spacious for the family, great off road for camping and exploring, beautiful inside and out, etc. and then you have to deal with the electronics constantly malfunctioning. I don't want a giant touchscreen, air ride suspension, adaptive cruise control, lane change assist, backup sensors, etc. in the first place and I'll be damned if I'm going to constantly deal with that shit going haywire. Knock on wood, I have had no electronic problems in my D2 that I can think of....it's all been mechanical issues related to the dog-shit 4.6 V8 and it's ancillary systems.
 

Blue

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Mar 26, 2004
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You ought to see how bad the electronics are in a manual GTI. They're the most intrusive systems I've ever encountered.

I'm going to stick with my Cybertruck order unless it changes too much. It's impossible for that vehicle to be any more annoying than a conventional modern automobile, and I get... Well, everything out of it; including that impossible manner of acceleration I've always wanted. I'm actually a fan of the old-school CVT.

When this many electronics are in the way of enjoying your internal combustion engine, it's a matter of hardheadedness to even buy one.

Fuck that. I'm going full retard. Everyone else can go try to find a car that doesn't suck now. I'm just going to clear the shop and pick away at building something that's dinosaur-powered my way, and in the meantime drive around in a brutalist sculpture that takes off like a rocket, tows a Rover, hauls anything I want, and goes on the beach.

Honestly, that's what I wanted to begin with. I just didn't think the answer would be electric.

Cheers,

Kennith

Have you heard of Electric Classic Cars (UK company)?


I watched the second half of a TV show last night featuring them. Check out their website - they did an old RR. Watch the 911 video too. Cool shit.

I wonder what it would take to electrify a D1 or my D2 once it's old enough to not worry about modification laws? Or maybe pick up a Porsche Boxster with a blown IMS bearing/motor and drop an electric can in it.
 

luckyjoe

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Oct 10, 2004
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New Jersey USA
I also hate all the touchscreens and beeps and chimes and all that bullshit, but what I'm really talking about is the fact that you buy this truck because it's comfortable on road, spacious for the family, great off road for camping and exploring, beautiful inside and out, etc. and then you have to deal with the electronics constantly malfunctioning. I don't want a giant touchscreen, air ride suspension, adaptive cruise control, lane change assist, backup sensors, etc. in the first place and I'll be damned if I'm going to constantly deal with that shit going haywire. Knock on wood, I have had no electronic problems in my D2 that I can think of....it's all been mechanical issues related to the dog-shit 4.6 V8 and it's ancillary systems.
Of everything you list, I'll take air suspension every single time!
 

kennith

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Apr 22, 2004
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Have you heard of Electric Classic Cars (UK company)?


I watched the second half of a TV show last night featuring them. Check out their website - they did an old RR. Watch the 911 video too. Cool shit.

I wonder what it would take to electrify a D1 or my D2 once it's old enough to not worry about modification laws? Or maybe pick up a Porsche Boxster with a blown IMS bearing/motor and drop an electric can in it.
No, I'd never heard of them, but the prices are much more reasonable than I thought they'd be.

I'd think making an electric DII wouldn't be the hardest such project. There's certainly plenty of room for anything they need. It may well be one of the best candidates in the automotive world, actually. Strip off everything you don't need anymore, and you've got a platform that's almost built for it.

Hopefully I'll have my DII engine sorted by Robison this year. The whole vehicle is showing it's age, and polymer external trim is beginning to look like a dry lake bed. So, first up for me is finishing up the Impala, and then working from front to back on the DII.

What I was thinking about doing is taking an older, large "muscly" vehicle and converting it to an AWD system; like the traditional Land Rover setup (but with coil overs for fun), then turning the trunk into a small pickup bed; some manner of either four door or two door hard top. Mind you, the intent is to build it into the car; not just drop a body on a truck frame; rather like an AMC, but with a bit more class.

That Impala might work. It's just plain huge, though; and I don't think that long ass will be fun around town.

Cheers,

Kennith
 

bri

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Apr 20, 2004
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The subject is INEOS though, until a reveal, blah. Just another car. If it ends up being 85k, then there will be way better opt
I would love to have a Range Rover...a neighbor just picked up a full-size RR that’s about 5 or so model years old (maybe more) and it’s absolutely gorgeous. My wife said to just buy one but I just don’t want to deal with all the shitty electronics.
Huh. I doubt that the electronics in a 4 runner are going to be forgiving to fix without a dealer, but I admit, you are likely better equiped than I. I would suck at dealing with either.

Knock on wood. I take care of a P38 and people bitch about those electronics a ton.