INEOS Grenadier

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Has there been any news on if the INEOS Grenadier is slated to come to the USA? I have a hard time imaging how it will pass fuel economy and safety requirements which are biased towards the big boys + EVs...
 

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Has there been any news on if the INEOS Grenadier is slated to come to the USA? I have a hard time imaging how it will pass fuel economy and safety requirements which are biased towards the big boys + EVs...
They seem to work towards EU/UK safety requirements, which are similar if not exceeding ours. With a 3-liter BMW turbodiesel and 8-speed auto they should have no problems getting gas mileage numbers comparable to or better than Jeep's; but they may qualify for an exception based on the sales volume.
 

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They seem to work towards EU/UK safety requirements, which are similar if not exceeding ours. With a 3-liter BMW turbodiesel and 8-speed auto they should have no problems getting gas mileage numbers comparable to or better than Jeep's; but they may qualify for an exception based on the sales volume.

Well if it's a diesel the odds of it ending up stateside is even less likely. Have they ruled out a manual? Would seem odd since they're so interested in the older utilitarian SUV to not include one.
 
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It's definitely coming to the States. It will be available here about a year after it hits the European market. At least that was their plan the last time I spoke with their network development manager. All timelines have been pushed back a bit.
 

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I read they are aiming at eventually producing 25000 units a year. That's not a lot. For comparison Jeep sells roughly 15,000 Wranglers a month. If the demand is high and the stock is low, well you know what happens to the price! It looks cool, will probably be very capable, but I bet you won't be able to find one for under $80k. Just like the new Defender starts at 48k but I haven't found one for under $75k.

I think the new Bronco will be more popular and more obtainable. I guess I just dont see spending that kind of money for something to go offroad with. I prefer older simpler vehicles for proper offroading, which most people will not do anyway.
 

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What are their plans for a ‘dealer’ network for these? Assume very limited. Wonder if they’ll follow something like the Tesla model

I think you're on the right track. I'm curious how the service & support will be. Not everyone is going to want to do their own maintenance.
 
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I read they are aiming at eventually producing 25000 units a year. That's not a lot. For comparison Jeep sells roughly 15,000 Wranglers a month. If the demand is high and the stock is low, well you know what happens to the price! It looks cool, will probably be very capable, but I bet you won't be able to find one for under $80k. Just like the new Defender starts at 48k but I haven't found one for under $75k.

I think the new Bronco will be more popular and more obtainable. I guess I just dont see spending that kind of money for something to go offroad with. I prefer older simpler vehicles for proper offroading, which most people will not do anyway.

Agree 100%
 

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Well if it's a diesel the odds of it ending up stateside is even less likely. Have they ruled out a manual? Would seem odd since they're so interested in the older utilitarian SUV to not include one.
I am not versed in BMW motors, but my WAG is that they used the same engine as a diesel X5 state-side. As far as manual vs. automatic - slushboxes appear more reliable than manuals.
 

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I read they are aiming at eventually producing 25000 units a year. That's not a lot. For comparison Jeep sells roughly 15,000 Wranglers a month. If the demand is high and the stock is low, well you know what happens to the price! It looks cool, will probably be very capable, but I bet you won't be able to find one for under $80k. Just like the new Defender starts at 48k but I haven't found one for under $75k.

I think the new Bronco will be more popular and more obtainable. I guess I just dont see spending that kind of money for something to go offroad with. I prefer older simpler vehicles for proper offroading, which most people will not do anyway.

Another consideration is aftermarket add-ons/parts. What company is going after the Grenadier lift kit market at 25k units a year? One would assume that's a "test the market" number with the abilitiy to ramp up if the demand is there.
 

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Another consideration is aftermarket add-ons/parts. What company is going after the Grenadier lift kit market at 25k units a year?

Considering that Land Rover has built zero Discoveries since 2004 and companies are still making aftermarket equipment for those models, I wouldn't worry about it too much.
 
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Another consideration is aftermarket add-ons/parts. What company is going after the Grenadier lift kit market at 25k units a year? One would assume that's a "test the market" number with the abilitiy to ramp up if the demand is there.


From Car and Driver:
Up to 25,000 a Year Are Planned

The plan is to create a vehicle that will appeal to both original Defender buyers who haven’t been able to directly replace their vehicles (with British πfarmers being high on the list), but also government agencies, NGOs, and adventurers looking for a vehicle capable of tackling the true wilderness. Plus, of course, those drawn to such a tough-looking truck for lifestyle reasons. INEOS says it will build up to 25,000 a year for global sale, and that the Grenadier will be offered in the U.S. with full federal approval.
 

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Another consideration is aftermarket add-ons/parts. What company is going after the Grenadier lift kit market at 25k units a year? One would assume that's a "test the market" number with the abilitiy to ramp up if the demand is there.
Mercedes G-wagen is not produced in very large quantities, either. 200k units in its first 30 years, and selling between 600 and 8k vehicles a year in the US.
 

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Considering that Land Rover has built zero Discoveries since 2004 and companies are still making aftermarket equipment for those models, I wouldn't worry about it too much.

How many companies and what are the prices/selection? Now go pick out almost any year Jeep and compare. When I had my '77 CJ there was no internet. You had to pick up some "dirt magazine". In the classifieds, there would be page after page of companies selling aftermarket parts for Jeep. Why....
 
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It’d be nice if they’d run some sort of setup where you could swap in some suspension components (shocks/springs) from LR, Jeep, Toyota, etc. As long as things aren’t too different I’m sure a lift could be piecemealed together. Bumpers, armor, etc are a different story
 

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Another consideration is aftermarket add-ons/parts. What company is going after the Grenadier lift kit market at 25k units a year? One would assume that's a "test the market" number with the abilitiy to ramp up if the demand is there.

Ineos could sell options like that, factory lift kits.