LR3/D3 lift?
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My understanding of the Matzker unit is that it's a black box between the ride height sensors and the ECU and it sends a "normal height" signal to the computer while in raised Off Road mode, allowing the truck to exceed the 30mph limitation.
If that's the case, it doesn't really provide more lift, it just enables the built-in lift over a wider speed range. I also hear from the UK guys that it costs a fortune, but I'm not sure how much.
I hear "rumors" that ARB is working on an OME kit for the coil based D3's that are more common overseas in Australia, Africa, Saudi Arabia, etc... I have no idea what the kit includes or when (or if) it will come out.
If that's the case, it doesn't really provide more lift, it just enables the built-in lift over a wider speed range. I also hear from the UK guys that it costs a fortune, but I'm not sure how much.
I hear "rumors" that ARB is working on an OME kit for the coil based D3's that are more common overseas in Australia, Africa, Saudi Arabia, etc... I have no idea what the kit includes or when (or if) it will come out.
NWoods, you said your tires rub in a previous post, would an inch more of clearance solve that issue?
nwoods said:
Why would I ask JSQ? Does he have a LR3 with the same Nitto setup as you? I've read in other posts that the rear tires rub when susp is fully compressed, and in order to prevent that, I was wondering if another inch of clearance would help. Like in the form of a 1" body lift....
There are two Matzker kits for the D3 air suspension.
The first replaces the suspension ECU with their own. It allows the car to remain in offroad height up to 70kmh (rather than the factory 40kph). It also allows you to manually select a 50mm lift above offroad height. In factory trim, this can only be selected by the onboard ECU when it thinks it is grounded, and returns to normal if you exceed 8kph for more than 45s.
The second replaces the dampers with longer travel/higher pressure units. This gives improved articulation (although note that the standard articulation is pretty impressive anyway).
Cost for the former is around 1200 Euros. I haven't got a cost for the up-rated dampers.
I'm currently engineering a set of spacers for the lower suspension mounting points, which should give a lift increase of 50mm. However, this is only for competition - it wouldn't be legal on-road.
The first replaces the suspension ECU with their own. It allows the car to remain in offroad height up to 70kmh (rather than the factory 40kph). It also allows you to manually select a 50mm lift above offroad height. In factory trim, this can only be selected by the onboard ECU when it thinks it is grounded, and returns to normal if you exceed 8kph for more than 45s.
The second replaces the dampers with longer travel/higher pressure units. This gives improved articulation (although note that the standard articulation is pretty impressive anyway).
Cost for the former is around 1200 Euros. I haven't got a cost for the up-rated dampers.
I'm currently engineering a set of spacers for the lower suspension mounting points, which should give a lift increase of 50mm. However, this is only for competition - it wouldn't be legal on-road.
Correction - it wouldn't be legal in Australia without testing and certification by the road authorities.
gordonwh said:
How much for the spacers and when will they be ready? Also, do you have any experience talking to the Matzker folks? I haven't tried to call them. -Thanks
Sorry Derek, perhaps I incorrectly attributed some of the crapstorm in the other thread to you. My appolgies.
I had actually typed up a longish response, and then clicked out of the page by accident and lost it all.
Shortest version: I have coils, so my ride height is not directly comparable to yours.
Shortish version:
At normal height, I only rubbed under extreme compression, such as in a sand dune, but never on a slow technical trail, and never on the road.
with 40mm soft springs, I rubbed only occasionally, such as when hitting large bumps at speed (including catching a little bit of air of the bump)
with 65mm stiff springs, I don't come anywhere near rubbing
The only place I ever rubbed was just forward of the rear tire, at the 9:00 o'clock or 3:00 o'clock position, depending on the side.
I know several other people with LR3's or RRS's with Nittos and they rub at the same spot on occasion, but I couldn't tell you if that was in normal mode verses access mode or off road mode. They do not appear to rub enough to cause them to switch tires.
I had actually typed up a longish response, and then clicked out of the page by accident and lost it all.
Shortest version: I have coils, so my ride height is not directly comparable to yours.
Shortish version:
At normal height, I only rubbed under extreme compression, such as in a sand dune, but never on a slow technical trail, and never on the road.
with 40mm soft springs, I rubbed only occasionally, such as when hitting large bumps at speed (including catching a little bit of air of the bump)
with 65mm stiff springs, I don't come anywhere near rubbing
The only place I ever rubbed was just forward of the rear tire, at the 9:00 o'clock or 3:00 o'clock position, depending on the side.
I know several other people with LR3's or RRS's with Nittos and they rub at the same spot on occasion, but I couldn't tell you if that was in normal mode verses access mode or off road mode. They do not appear to rub enough to cause them to switch tires.
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elemakule
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I run the Nittos and I've never seen any sign of rubbing. The only thing that ever seems to rub on my truck are skid plates. ;-)
And the only time I use Access Height is to assist my vertically challenged mother-in-law get in and out.
--Tom
And the only time I use Access Height is to assist my vertically challenged mother-in-law get in and out.
--Tom
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chillywater
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im a little rusty on my German, but i love the swing away spare tire mount on the back, it looks much more Land Rover like
chillywater said:
You can get those from several places now. I know for sure that British Pacific here in California has them.
Regards,
NW
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derekdilks said:
No idea on costs yet - we're still at the drawing stage! Hopefully I'll have a driver's side set by the end of the week, but I'm not intending to sell these - I just mentioned it to show what _can_ be done, if you have an understanding mech workshop.
I've only talked to Matzker via email. Some folk seem to have had trouble getting a response from them, but at the time (last Oct) I had no problems.
Cheers,
Gordon
gordonwh said:
Gordon, we had the truck on the lift today. With the spacers installed in front and back, wont the ride height sensors pick up on the added lift and try to airdown to compensate? Do you have to adjust the level sensors manually or is it a computer thing? Or is no adjustment required?
There are issues with the traction control if you're playing with the ride height sensors. Likewise by fitting conventional spacers at the top of the towers. I'm looking at engineering a solution that replaces the joint at the lower end of the suspension towers, but it'll take a while, as I've got a fair bit of travelling to do over the next few weeks, leaving me with little time to finish it.
Cheers,
Gordon
Cheers,
Gordon
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gil stevens
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this is a great thread. see the problem you guys are having just trying to get an extra inch or two of height. ride height sensors, traction control issues, computers etc. i say leave the LR3 on the tarmac and get a D1 for the rough 
gil stevens said:this is a great thread. see the problem you guys are having just trying to get an extra inch or two of height. ride height sensors, traction control issues, computers etc. i say leave the LR3 on the tarmac and get a D1 for the rough
Well, that's not really a fair comparison. I could be just as flippant and say if I want an extra 2" of lift, I just flick a button - or an extra 4" if the Matzker kit is fitted.
If you want more than that, _then_ it gets a little complicated, but only because no-one has done it yet. Once the learning curve is conquered, probably no more involved than it was getting 4" of lift in my old D1.
Cheers,
Gordon