Liar and hip-shooter Biden scares me a lot more as Vice President than less-experienced Palin does. He's a dangerous egomaniac, but she seems to listen to her advisors.
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Appears we are getting back to the real Barack Obama. Now that he is behind the facade of no lobbyist, PACS, etc is no longer useful.
Quietly, Obama Campaign Calls In The Cavalry
Marc Ambinder
09 Sep 2008
The Atlantic
Quietly, Obama Campaign Calls In The Cavalry
Marc Ambinder
09 Sep 2008
The Atlantic
. . . after a year of telling donors not to contribute to 527 groups, of encouraging strategists not to form them and of suggesting that outside messaging efforts would not be welcome in Obama's Democratic Party, Obama's strategists have changed their approach.
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The Obama campaign can't ask donors to form outside groups; it can only communicate, through the public and the media, with body language, tells and hints. . . .
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The Obama campaign can't ask donors to form outside groups; it can only communicate, through the public and the media, with body language, tells and hints. . . .
A major out of context statement, and incorrect as well.Mike_Rupp said:
Americans had been debating entering the war for quite some time, particularly the war in Europe, and in fact Americans were already fighting there and were already fighting the Japanese.
Men were lining up to enlist at 7am on Dec 8, 5 hours before FDR's speech.
FDR asked Congress to declare war on Japan, and only Japan. Germany and Italy declared war on the US, on Dec 11 I believe it was. (though I'm sure the administration assumed Germany would since they were allied with Japan).
The Ambassador wasn't delivering a declaration of war (at least not an overt declaration of war), he was delivering a statement that Japan saw no further use for negotiations and that talks would cease.apg said:
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The next time you hear Obama speak on Iraq, think of this article:
OBAMA TRIED TO STALL GIS' IRAQ WITHDRAWAL
NY Post
September 15, 2008
OBAMA TRIED TO STALL GIS' IRAQ WITHDRAWAL
NY Post
September 15, 2008
WHILE campaigning in public for a speedy withdrawal of US troops from Iraq, Sen. Barack Obama has tried in private to persuade Iraqi leaders to delay an agreement on a draw-down of the American military presence.
According to Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari, Obama made his demand for delay a key theme of his discussions with Iraqi leaders in Baghdad in July. . . .
According to Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari, Obama made his demand for delay a key theme of his discussions with Iraqi leaders in Baghdad in July. . . .
No idea if the Obama story is true, but before taking it as gospel people might want to read some background information on Amir Taheri and some false stories he's written, like saying the Iraqi parliament was passing a law that people had to dress in color coded clothing indicating their religion and sect. There are others out there as well.
antichrist said:
Another article to reinforce the new information. I know Tom, it's the NYT, but it is another data point.
Obama Plans Trip Pre-Election Day Visit to Iraq and Afghanistan
By Jeff Zeleny
June 16, 2008
NYT
. . . Among the issues being discussed with the two presidential candidates is the long-term security accord between Iraq and the United States. While the Bush administration would like to see an agreement reached before the summer’s political conventions, Mr. Obama said today that he opposed such a timetable. . . .
McCain Responds to Obama's Reported Undermining of the Commander-In-Chief During Wartime
National Review Online ^ | September 15, 2008 | Andy McCarthy
The Obama's LSM can no longer bury this story.
National Review Online ^ | September 15, 2008 | Andy McCarthy
"At this point, it is not yet clear what official American negotiations Senator Obama tried to undermine with Iraqi leaders, but the possibility of such actions is unprecedented. It should be concerning to all that he reportedly urged that the democratically-elected Iraqi government listen to him rather than the US administration in power. If news reports are accurate, this is an egregious act of political interference by a presidential candidate seeking political advantage overseas. Senator Obama needs to reveal what he said to Iraq's Foreign Minister during their closed door meeting. The charge that he sought to delay the withdrawal of Americans from Iraq raises serious questions about Senator Obama's judgment and it demands an explanation."
The Obama's LSM can no longer bury this story.
Very irresponsible for McCain to make such a statement before he has all the facts. Especially considering who wrote the story he's referencing. If in fact he does have all the facts, he shouldn't have been so wishy-washy in his statement.
You left out Obama's actual statement.
You left out Obama's actual statement.
“My concern is that the Bush administration, in a weakened state politically, ends up trying to rush an agreement that in some ways might be binding to the next administration, whether it’s my administration or Senator McCain’s administration,”
While no justification for stepping into negotiations uninvited, it's certainly a legitimate concern.
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I was relatively indifferent about Biden until this morning when I saw him on CNBC. The manner in which he placed the blame for the AIG / LEH / MER disaster in the lap of the current administration, without a mention as to his career or responsibility as a senior Senator was simply stunning.
When asked how he would fix things ( AIG getting closer to bankruptcy by the minute ), he said that he would create some jobs, and change personal bankruptcy law. Um, what???
When asked how he would fix things ( AIG getting closer to bankruptcy by the minute ), he said that he would create some jobs, and change personal bankruptcy law. Um, what???
bigred said:
The party line . . . hoping for an ignorant audience.
Pelosi: Dems bear no responsibility for economic crisis
The Hill
MarkP said:
Mark, you are the undeniable master...of hypocrisy, all the while cutting and pasting from freepers....
McCain & Co are still running the same ads that were proven to be, well, lies weeks ago, and hoping no one will notice. Some minor...some real whoppers. Why lie about something as simple as the TelePrompTer malfunctioning for Palin at the convention? Didn't she realize that the press were sitting right over her shoulder so they cold read it, too? Why lie about attendance at a campaign rally (23,000 vs the actual 8,000) when such figures can be so easily checked?
The BIG one came yesterday - even bigger than "the fundamentals of the economy are strong." John McCain invented the Blackberry. Yup, that's what one of his senior advisers said yesterday, which is rather surprising, given that by his own admission he was only recently starting to "watch the internets" and learn to use "the emails"....
Say anything, they will.
Your off on a tangent. I'm surprised you didn't mention Bush.
The article on Pelosi was from The Hill
Why would she claim the Democrats bear NO responsibility for the economic crisis when in fact they are the primary contributors? None? Zero? Why is that Sandy?
Specifics? Links?
From what I have read, it did malfunction and sometimes scroll past the point in the speech. She improvised in those areas. Giuliani was the first one to say there were issues. Your press, Politico's Jonathan Martin - "Perhaps there were moments where it scrolled slightly past her exact point in the speech. . . " So there were teleprompter issues.
Define fundamentals. The financial world is not the economy. As many say, the stock market is not the economy. There are many areas in the US where real estate and jobs are expected to grow. The areas that are struggling are Blue states.
His Al Gore moment? Close but it was his advisor, not McCain. He was referring to McCains work on the Senate Commerce Committee through which telelecommunication acts are considered. Now I have a Blackberry. I get email, text, etc. It is my mobile link to work and financials. It has a keyboard but it would be very difficult to use if I had McCains injuries. In fact I'd probably rely on an assistant for most of my electronic communications. Get the point?
The article on Pelosi was from The Hill
Why would she claim the Democrats bear NO responsibility for the economic crisis when in fact they are the primary contributors? None? Zero? Why is that Sandy?
apg said:
Specifics? Links?
apg said:
From what I have read, it did malfunction and sometimes scroll past the point in the speech. She improvised in those areas. Giuliani was the first one to say there were issues. Your press, Politico's Jonathan Martin - "Perhaps there were moments where it scrolled slightly past her exact point in the speech. . . " So there were teleprompter issues.
apg said:
Define fundamentals. The financial world is not the economy. As many say, the stock market is not the economy. There are many areas in the US where real estate and jobs are expected to grow. The areas that are struggling are Blue states.
apg said:
His Al Gore moment? Close but it was his advisor, not McCain. He was referring to McCains work on the Senate Commerce Committee through which telelecommunication acts are considered. Now I have a Blackberry. I get email, text, etc. It is my mobile link to work and financials. It has a keyboard but it would be very difficult to use if I had McCains injuries. In fact I'd probably rely on an assistant for most of my electronic communications. Get the point?
MarkP said:
First of all, bullshit on your reference to the "blue states" - the greatest amount of financial fraud - and highest per capita number of foreclosures right now - is Florida....Sure California has more as in numbers, but not in percentages.
Maybe somebody should be asking McCain that. "Define fundamentals." It was his damn quote - one he has repeated 23 times recently, and again on Monday, the day the Dow ironically dropped over 500 points, as one after another domino began to fall into bankruptcy. Nice, short slogan. So what if it isn't true? What are his plans? His platform? Have you been to his website? Despite the flash and glitz - and all the nifty slogans about "Country First: Reform, Prosperity, Peace" - there is hardly anything about actual his economic plans, as in how he would handle the current financial crisis if elected. Lots of great, bumper-sticker length slogans - that the repubs do oh so well - but talk don't cook the rice - to use a Marxist-sounding statement. Such short slogans and such limited, actual information is designed for people with limited attention spans.
His chief economic adviser is Lindsay Gramm, the one who more than anyone else was responsible for the repeal of the the Glass-Steagall Act, the Depression-era law that separated commercial and investment banking. It was functionally repealed in 1998, and officially repealed in 1999 - by a republican Congress - with the passage the Financial Services Modernization Act of 1999, known as the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act. September 15th might be remembered as Black Monday...but "the fundamentals are strong." Right - only if you believe Cheney and his "deficits don't matter" mantra. This country cannot afford four more years of the past eight years.
There are now doubts as to whether even the largest of these investment institutions can survive independently. Following the global credit crunch, the former strengths of the investments banks (they can borrow seemingly unlimited funds from investors around the world and use them as they see fit) have become a major weaknesses.
Your typical, stodgy old commercial bank could only borrow money from their depositors, the Fed, and and from outfits like the Federal Home Loan Bank board. Between 2001 and 2006, that meant investment houses were better businesses to own than commercial banks - especially with the housing bubble in full swing inflating profits. But today, these leveraged-to-the hilt investment banks now face a struggle just to meet today's payroll, while the less-leveraged 'hometown' banks enjoy relatively stable sources of capital.
I don't think McCain or his purported experts/advisers have a clue in this regard.
I agree with you completely. Which is your favorite?apg said:
- HOPE
- Yes We Can
- Change We Need
- Change We Can Believe In
- Change Is Awesome
- Vote for Change
apg said:
First, both Republicans and Democrats share the blame. It was under Secretary of Treasury Robert Rubin that the Glass Steagall Act (Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act) was repealed. Within days he resigned to manage the merger of Travelers Group and Citicorp, which is today's Citigroup. As I have already pointed out the makings of the current financial issues started in 1992. We were well on our way to the credit mess by the early 00's.
During President Bush's first term the new administration raised the flag and called the regulations broke. In 2003 Bush called for a new agency to oversee Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae. The responsibilities would have been to "set one of the two capital-reserve requirements for the companies . . . exercise authority over any new lines of business . . . and .. determine whether the two are adequately managing the risks of their ballooning portfolios.
We already know the outcome of that proposal. The Democrats on the Financial Services Committee rejected it and also noted that the financial institutions were " not facing any kind of financial crisis". What they really meant was - we are siphoning off too much money for special interest to make any changes.
Still there was concern that regulation wasn't keeping pace and there was evidence of corruption so in 2005 McCain proposed the Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005. Provisions included (1) assessment authority; (2) authority to limit nonmission-related assets; (3) minimum and critical capital levels; (4) risk-based capital test; (5) capital classifications and undercapitalized enterprises; (6) enforcement actions and penalties; (7) golden parachutes; and (8) reporting.
Again, reform was blocked. And where are we today?
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said today `no one knows what to do,'' while Pelosi is saying "don't blame us".
:banghead: or is it :rofl:
Maybe the Democrat Congressional leadership should ask Bush and McCain. The proposals for oversight and regulation have been on the table for 6 to 7 years now.
You’re decent, but just confused and stupid.
Good morning, hillbilly mouth-breathers! How are we today? Did we put our shoes on the correct feet and wipe all the drool off our faces before heading outside to plant turnips and whup our kids? Good, good. . . .