Obama's Address to Schools

RBBailey

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As a teacher, and yes, a Conservative, here is my take:

I am not opposed to the president, any president, speaking directly to our school children. I would encourage it, in fact. However, I will not be showing the address in my classroom, and here is why.

First, we have not been given a preview of what is going to be said. Yes, we have been told that it will be a speech about, "challenging students to work hard, set education goals, and take responsibility for their learning." Which would be great, if we could trust that this would be all that was in the speech.

Second, to play a live broadcast in school, or any media which has not first been previewed is grounds for disciplinary action. So, for that reason alone, I could, and should say that I won't show it.

Third, if the message is even in the slightest way political in nature. If it is tailored to make kids like Obama, or to suggest the idea that his side is better than any other, it is propaganda, and I won't participate.

Fourth, even if their reasons are over the top, alarmist, etc... we should be listening to what the parents are saying. Already, even the schools here in one of the most Liberal areas in the nation are getting phone calls from parents. We work for them.

Fifth, what if I don't show it? My principal has not yet said anything about it. However, I got an email from my previous principal (I'm still on his mailing list) and he is asking if we will be showing it, and what help we need, if any. My wife's principal has stated that it will be shown, even if parents threaten to withdraw their students. Nothing is being said about what questions might be asked if you don't show the live broadcast.

Sixth, according to some news outlets, the speech will include encouragement to use federal money for schools. Can you say: Strings Attached?

Now for my wacko outlook. This speech will be harmless. So will the next one. And the one after that. But a certain flavor will begin to encroach upon the delivery in one way or another. By the time the fourth annual speech to our "schoochilden" (yes, that is the way the White House press release spelled it initially.) is given, there will be a noticeable lean to one side, it will be an election year, and Obama will be explaining to the children that it is important to vote for "democratic" ideals. He will explain to the children that it might be time for him to say goodbye, that he may not win the election, that he will miss them, and that he hopes to serve the country for another term.

Are you catching on?
 

Ballah06

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RBBailey said:
As a teacher, and yes, a Conservative, here is my take:

I am not opposed to the president, any president, speaking directly to our school children. I would encourage it, in fact. However, I will not be showing the address in my classroom, and here is why.

First, we have not been given a preview of what is going to be said. Yes, we have been told that it will be a speech about, "challenging students to work hard, set education goals, and take responsibility for their learning." Which would be great, if we could trust that this would be all that was in the speech.

Second, to play a live broadcast in school, or any media which has not first been previewed is grounds for disciplinary action. So, for that reason alone, I could, and should say that I won't show it.

Third, if the message is even in the slightest way political in nature. If it is tailored to make kids like Obama, or to suggest the idea that his side is better than any other, it is propaganda, and I won't participate.

Fourth, even if their reasons are over the top, alarmist, etc... we should be listening to what the parents are saying. Already, even the schools here in one of the most Liberal areas in the nation are getting phone calls from parents. We work for them.

Fifth, what if I don't show it? My principal has not yet said anything about it. However, I got an email from my previous principal (I'm still on his mailing list) and he is asking if we will be showing it, and what help we need, if any. My wife's principal has stated that it will be shown, even if parents threaten to withdraw their students. Nothing is being said about what questions might be asked if you don't show the live broadcast.

Sixth, according to some news outlets, the speech will include encouragement to use federal money for schools. Can you say: Strings Attached?

Now for my wacko outlook. This speech will be harmless. So will the next one. And the one after that. But a certain flavor will begin to encroach upon the delivery in one way or another. By the time the fourth annual speech to our "schoochilden" (yes, that is the way the White House press release spelled it initially.) is given, there will be a noticeable lean to one side, it will be an election year, and Obama will be explaining to the children that it is important to vote for "democratic" ideals. He will explain to the children that it might be time for him to say goodbye, that he may not win the election, that he will miss them, and that he hopes to serve the country for another term.

Are you catching on?

The whole speech thing sounds a bit weird to me. What all of a sudden purported this action? Is it the rating by the people that has been on the downslide for quite some time now? I am sure there are ulterior motives behind all this.
Was it specified as to what specific age group the speech was intended for?
 

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So..... you want to edit his speech to the way "YOU" think???

Not starting anything here,(good God, I don't need any lawyers after me)
Let the kids decide what they think about the speech.:patriot:
 

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I would write the speech like this:

"Welcome back to the school year! The future of our nation is in your hands, so do your best in school. Get good grades, respect your teachers, and have fun!

Go and have a great year!"

I might make it as long as one, maybe two minutes. It is planned for 15-20, and it is billed for all ages from K-12. The White House is also handing out lesson plans which do not include anything about the speech, but they do include the line, "How has he inspired you?"

It is kind of odd to be told to make a whole big lesson and discussion around something about which I have no clue. I would simply like to see a transcript of the speech before hand.

Let the kids decide. That's fine. Let them choose what to watch on TV as well? Should I show porn in the class and let them decide if it is good to watch or not? Why is it different for anything else? Why am I being asked, by the most powerful man in the world, to blindly teach what it is he is going to say?

Most likely, I will end up showing the speech, or a part of it, or assigning a response to it as extra credit -- but only after I see it first.
 

jhmover

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If he sticks to getting kids interested in school I have no problem with it. If it's going to turn into an Obama idolotry brainwashing session, then I have a problem with it. We'll just have to see what happens.

On the other hand, my two sons figured out early on that school was full of propagana. My oldest used to say he was going to get brainwashed when he left for school He figured this out on his own. My youngest is the same way.

My point is don't sell kids short. They know alot more about what's going on than you think. Even if it ends up being a brainwashing session, I don't think many kids will buy into it.

Edit: AKA there's more adults who have been drinking the Obama Kool Aid than kids.
 

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Discoinjapan said:
I wish my teachers would have shown porn!! Don't you?

lol. Anderson Cooper is talking on this subject right now.


I had a couple of teachers that could have been porn stars. I definitely would have paid more attention if they showed their porn films :D


I wish they'd prerecord it and let the instructors preview it first. Then let the school as a whole decide whether to watch or not.
 

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you can go see the video that will be shown on youtube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqcPA1ysSbw

I have no problem with the President talking to students and I also think it should be something that is done every year.

I took the chance to discuss it with my 6th grade daughter today and she is a smart kid and makes up her own mind about things.

What I do think is stupid is the fact that we value the opinions of the people in this video. How about a astronaut, a doctor, a lawyer,a teacher, a national spelling bee champion,a nurse or a parent. Celebrity is looked at like the end all in this country when in fact its far from what I would ever want my daughter to aspire to. I am glad she is smart enough to allready know this .
 

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I have no problem with the speech. However, I am very uncomfortable with the "Lesson Plans" that were distributed to teachers. Yes, I took the time to read it and I have asked by son's teacher if she will be using it. Still waiting for an answer.
 

varova87

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15-20 minutes? I didn't have that kind of attention span in high school, much less first grade. If they expect anyone under the age of sixteen to listen to that man babble politics for 20 minutes, them people are crazy.
 

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flyfisher11 said:
My kids will be getting a holiday if it is shown here.

X2...my kids are more excited about a 4 day weekend anyway! We regularly discuss politics and challenge our kids to do the research for themselves and come up with their own decision. Generally, they agree with us.
 

RBBailey

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MUSKYMAN said:
you can go see the video that will be shown on youtube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqcPA1ysSbw

Did I hear that last line right, that they pledge to "Serve" our president?

Two questions:
  1. Is that only for Democrat presidents, or will that pledge cross over ugly, partisan lines?
  2. Which constitution was it where they read that the people serve the president? The one I have says the president serves us.
 

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How about this question.
• Why is it important that we listen to the President and other elected officials, like the mayor, senators, members of congress, or the governor? Why is what they say important?"

This is backwards it should be "Why is it important that the President and other elected officials listen to the people?
 

RBBailey

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A very liberal friend of mine -- he thinks Obama is not nearly close enough to Communism, really, he said that, with a straight face -- once looked at me and said, "Talk show hosts? Why shouldn't we silence them, what do they know?"

I wanted to know how Al Gore became the world's greatest climatologist. I wanted to know how Obama suddenly got his license to practice medicine. I wanted to know when it was that Ted Kennedy last taught in a public school.

He replied, "But they are experts."
 

eliaschristeas

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i dont remember anyone having a problem with FDR's fireside chats... Dem/Rep's both rallied around such a concise delivery of information. You dont have to wonder what this prez is thinking. He'll tell us. Quite opposite from the last one. If in fact, he was thinking at all....

I had an ultra right wing social studies teacher in HS. I hated that mother fucker. Intolerant of any other point of view is the understatement of the CENTURY; however, it was through filtering through what i saw to be his bullshit that lead me to the discovery of A) what my beliefs really were and B) help sharpened my critical thinking and the last, perhaps being the most important.

Porn in secondary ed? Nah. The president? By all means. And then let it be up to the teachers, right or left, to facilitate discussion so that we may have a wiser generation coming up behind us that as the ability to think - and then act - critically for themselves and hopefully to the betterment of all.
 
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