I think he's referring to this video.
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705327260/Eagle-Forum-decries-Obama-vid.html
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705327260/Eagle-Forum-decries-Obama-vid.html
Obama's Address to Schools
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"Red Hot Chili Peppers," says, "I pledge allegiance to the funk, to the united funk of funkadelica."
Cieslewicz says, "It is unAmerican. It is disrespectful."
I swear the right has absolutely no sense of humor.
Cieslewicz says, "It is unAmerican. It is disrespectful."
I swear the right has absolutely no sense of humor.
Paul Grant said:
The right? Does that mean you are on the left? Is there anyone riding common sense? Actually I got a pre-recorded message from my kids school today about this. They said that they will be participating in the Obama message for middle school and High School and will consider re-playing it for K through 5 at a later time. They said that if you don't want your kid to participate that you need to send them with a letter telling them so. I will let my kids see/participate. I know earlier in this thread I said I'd keep them home but that was a little over reaction. I have faith in my children to make up their own minds. We talk politics all the time here. As a matter of fact on the way to school today my 10 year old asked me (as I was fussing at the radio), why do you listen to this station (NPR) when you have a problem with it? That opened up a great opportunity to explain to my children that one must listen to all sides in order to make up one's own mind. If you only pay attention to what you agree with you will never be able to defend you own ideas. I told them that you have to open you minds and see all sides before determining how you "feel" about particular issues. I know they got it. For that I am proud and have no fear as to how they will process all this.
Cheers,
Mike
Paul Grant said:
I could have sworn I was reading The Onion. Those folks need to get laid or get high. Maybe both.
"Now for my wacko outlook. This speech will be harmless. So will the next one. And the one after that. But a certain flavor will begin to encroach upon the delivery in one way or another. By the time the fourth annual speech to our "schoochilden" (yes, that is the way the White House press release spelled it initially.) is given, there will be a noticeable lean to one side, it will be an election year, and Obama will be explaining to the children that it is important to vote for "democratic" ideals. He will explain to the children that it might be time for him to say goodbye, that he may not win the election, that he will miss them, and that he hopes to serve the country for another term.[Obama will then use his leftist powers to hallucinate our children with his commie-pinko eyes. A strange sound will be heard from the television - faint at first, but then louder, and louder, and even louder. We will realize that the noise is a special radar-plutonium-heizenberg- frequency that the left has been working on ever since Obama, if that really is his name, got elected. The frequency will re-educate our children to kill Republicans and drink their blood. This will be the "final solution" the "blood pact" that Obama has so desperately wanted from our youth! You ask how I know these things? My toaster talks to me every morning. It espouses the truth of great thinkers such as Glen Beck and Rush Limbaugh. I will pledge this to you though my fellow Americans - I will not let your children think for themselves while this horrible demon is in office! As a somewhat-lucid educator I will protect your children and stave off the harm that shall befall them at the hands of our wicked leader!]"
There, I finished your thought for ya'!
There, I finished your thought for ya'!
MUSKYMAN said:
I wouldn't want my kid watching that video.
Just like any good subliminal session, you have one or two points that you want to get across, and you surround them with a constant barrage of the obvious and utter nonsense. By the middle of the address, when people just start to tune out, the few points you want to make are heard by use of buzzwords that attract attention briefly. The rest is a ramping up and down of emotion and humor, in order to affect the basic mood of the target, listening or not, as he or she approaches an important point.
I use the same basic techniques.
(brisk but punchy pace)I want an America where life is good, where food is plentiful and people are happy. (mood up) I want an America where my children will have a great education, (mood down) where every child has a fighting chance. (Point) I want an America without unnecessary conflict (mood immediately up) where we can all live together in harmony (higher) where everyone is equal, and we all appreciate a good laugh.
And so on, with the occasional joke thrown in after a beneficial change of mood directly following a point, to unify the audience in laughter, so they feel like they are all part of a larger plan.
It's kid stuff. These are silly things you do to sell a car on Ebay, to impress people with a cheap meaningless speach at a wedding or funeral when you can't get out of it, and you need some tears to fall in the audience for effect.
It may seem harmless, but nothing you see during your day that anyone threw money at is meaningless, aside from some popular music. Every second of the day people are being sold garbage with these simple techniques.
Politicians tell jokes on the campaign trail for this very reason. They are precisely placed, and used to make everyone laugh TOGETHER. The audience is now having a reaction they can share with each other, and they are all having the same reaction.
None of this crap is accidental.
It doesn't always reach adults, but kids are incredibly prone to respond to this kind of suggestion. The object is to foster that warm fuzzy feeling in the television, to make them feel banded together in a dramatic cause. Once you have that, you can slip the points in.
Is this all a horrible design to corrupt your children? Nope. They are out buying toys for the same reasons. What you have to consider is that this isn't a toy they are being sold, it is a philosophy, and these guys aren't the dimwits at Mattel, they are the experts of spin and suggestion. You have to ask if you want to allow your kid to be exposed to that direct a suggestion, in an environment where it will be deemed popular and cool.
Cheers,
Kennith
I'm not going to show it, but I will now be able to assign it as homework, or show it at a later date since he is releasing the text before hand -- from what I hear.
Bottom line is this: I'm responsible for what is presented in my classroom. Except in the case of some live emergency broadcast, as in on 9/11, I just don't like not knowing what is coming into my classroom.
I think it is interesting that they are claiming this is the first time this has ever been done -- didn't Bush do it? Just like they claim that Sotomayor is the first Hispanic on the court... no. The first Hispanic on the court was a Conservative back in the 1950's I believe. I can't tell if these people can't get their facts straight, or if they are doing it on purpose.
Bottom line is this: I'm responsible for what is presented in my classroom. Except in the case of some live emergency broadcast, as in on 9/11, I just don't like not knowing what is coming into my classroom.
I think it is interesting that they are claiming this is the first time this has ever been done -- didn't Bush do it? Just like they claim that Sotomayor is the first Hispanic on the court... no. The first Hispanic on the court was a Conservative back in the 1950's I believe. I can't tell if these people can't get their facts straight, or if they are doing it on purpose.
emmodg said:
No, no, you didn't get it at all. I'm talking about the same thing he is doing with the news media right now. You do know that a lot of the stuff you are seeing on the news lately has been produced in-house at the White House -- right? It's all harmless though, and the people who are giving these broadcasts, well, it doesn't really matter that they used to work in an independent new agency, but now their office is actually in the White House... so, it won't really matter when they quietly quit, and start working for the White House. At first, you could tell fairly easily that it was from the White House, because it had an odd looking "O" logo on the bottom. But they have stopped using it -- probably too much all at once. You know, as Obama has said about health care, it needs to be implemented slowly, over time, so the people won't panic about it, and will learn to accept our plan for how it is run.
Nearly everything the Democrats are trying to do I don't care for. But I also didn't care for the Patriot act or the formation of Homeland Security both of which are biting us in the ass right now. Thank you ex-president Bush.
ptschram
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flyfisher11 said:
Maybe not, but he has a PhD, he's smart and we should listen to what he says, just like the President, he's the most powerful man on earth!
The one thing that needs to be reinforced to politicians is that the only reason they are where they are is because the populace put them there and can take them back...
emmodg said:
Why? Because I tell the truth? I didn't make that stuff up. Obama really did say that about health care, and that stuff with the news people/agencies is actually happening.
Controlling the message may have been possible 10-20 years ago but times have changed. The old media is dead, well almost dead. I remember some asking me what LSM meant, no longer.
The new media is the internet, blogs, internet TV and social networking sites like Facebook.
Palin single-handed took down Obamacare with ..... Facebook.
Sarah Palin vs. Dr. Death
American Thinker
The above is not intented to generate another discussion on government run healthcare. It shows how Palin impacted the discussin through new media and, stepping out on a limb here, how the Ivy League's hold on political power may be in jeopardy "-- he went to Harvard, you know". Obama has surrounded himself with corrupt Ivy League people. Neither the government or Ivy League academics has control of new media.
The new media is the internet, blogs, internet TV and social networking sites like Facebook.
Palin single-handed took down Obamacare with ..... Facebook.
Sarah Palin vs. Dr. Death
American Thinker
The above is not intented to generate another discussion on government run healthcare. It shows how Palin impacted the discussin through new media and, stepping out on a limb here, how the Ivy League's hold on political power may be in jeopardy "-- he went to Harvard, you know". Obama has surrounded himself with corrupt Ivy League people. Neither the government or Ivy League academics has control of new media.
RBBailey said:
No, because you are teaching young adults. Let your students decide what to take from the message. Again, it is The President of The United States of America! The President of your country and your student's country. What is it that you are so afraid of? You're not being "careful" or "mindful" of what comes into your classroom, (oh yeah, it's your student's classroom as well), you are being arrogant, closed-minded, and downright foolish! Do you believe that you're doing your students a favor? Are you being helpful? Does this display of hard-headedness and selfish attitude on your part further their education? Fuck man! My wife busts her ass every Goddam day to provide her students with as much exposure to their world as she can fit in her classroom! She TEACHES and leaves her own beliefs and opinions at the door. What my wife may think is less important to her as what her students think. She gives them choices. She gives them the opportunity to make up their own minds. This is why you frighten me! Fuck! I can't imagine you as a cop - you would certainly only enforce the laws that YOU supported!
atriot:emmodg said:
Yes, I agree, and when I give the assignment, it will be pretty much open ended as far as -- What do you get from this message?
You are miss understanding my point. Yeah, I'm wacko when it comes to my conspiracy theory stuff, I like delving into it here on DWeb, in the same way I like watching Star Wars and half believing that, "Cooooool... What if..."
If this were Bush, I would still preview it, for the same reasons. It's the President, everything he says will be political. There are enough parents on either side of the isle who have irrational knee jerk reactions to these things that I will preview it before I show it or assign it. I preview all books, all web sites, all videos, all songs -- everything that goes into my classroom. Obama may be the POTUS, but he is not responsible for what goes on in my classroom -- I am. If some parent went nuts over the message, or the book, or the movie I played, Obama would not be the one to take the heat -- I would be.
Students of this age are very perceptive, they can think on their own, but they are also extremely superficial and reactive. When you say to let them take what they will from the message, I guarantee you they would only take 10% of what is possible to take unless someone comes along and plays the Devil's Advocate to get them to think the entire message through, not just the buzz words. If you give them the best book ever written, they will get board with it. If you give them Obama on tape they will talk about how awesome he looks and how he made them feel emotional -- unless I specifically direct them to think deeper -- then they can start really deciphering the message and coming to their own ACTUAL conclusions about the MESSAGE. Not their reaction to the presentation, or to how cool it is to like Obama, or to not like him, however the case may be.
Believe me, I want them to come to their own conclusions. Firstly, because I believe it would be immoral for me to use the bully pulpit of the classroom to prosteletize my views. Secondly, because if someone comes to a conclusion that is different than mine, I want them to do it because it's actually what they believe, not because it's a fad. And finally, if someone is to agree with me, I want them to do it because they did so on their own, not because I told them something.
ptschram said:
Hell, I'm not even the most powerful person in my house...I don't believe I'm the most powerman on earth
The school distric for our county has left it up to the teachers to show it and those that do must have a lesson plan for it and an alternative for those that do not wish to watch it, or not show it at all. I'm am not a fan of the commercial that was released and feel it was loaded with propaganda and was scripted in language that makes me very nervous. I'd like to think that the White House staff would not be so brazen to promote that same message but I guess we shall see.
Just like most of the kids in every household I'm sure that they share their parents views of the world and will definitly ask questions when they get home and/or be very excited that they watched the president on tv at school. At that point it is up to all of us parents to reinforce what they heard or explain why it doesn't follow our views.
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o142/DennyDoler/Forboden/SuperBO.jpg
Just like most of the kids in every household I'm sure that they share their parents views of the world and will definitly ask questions when they get home and/or be very excited that they watched the president on tv at school. At that point it is up to all of us parents to reinforce what they heard or explain why it doesn't follow our views.
http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o142/DennyDoler/Forboden/SuperBO.jpg
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SGaynor said:Hell, I'm not even the most powerful person in my house...I don't believe I'm the most powerman on earth
