Panhard Bushings
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ptschram
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Proving that I do agree with Brett, I agree the press is the only way to go.
I made dies for the press so I could do it quickly, safely and not distort anything.
As for doing this on the trail, first off, replace before the trip and if you expect a problem, carry a pre-loaded pan hard rod!
Anti-seize on the threads and bob's your uncle!
I made dies for the press so I could do it quickly, safely and not distort anything.
As for doing this on the trail, first off, replace before the trip and if you expect a problem, carry a pre-loaded pan hard rod!
Anti-seize on the threads and bob's your uncle!
The way to go is to get rid of the stock bushing, go poly, then never worry about a press again.
You guys don't drive a lot, do you?
Poly bushings are amazing crap. The only way to do worse than poly is combine them with heim joints on a street-driven vehicle.
This is all it takes (Chris Snell's photo). Campsite table is optional.
Nope, no driving here. :banghead:
I daily drive my '96 D1 with poly bushing in the panhard.
My '98 trail truck, I bought a used RTE panhard and it came with yellow bushings on the axle end. Many years and many thousands of miles later it was still A-OK. The heim obviously sucked and I replaced it with a generic threaded bushing from some street car shop.
The quality of rubber for Land Rover bushings is garbage now. Just about everybody concedes that. If you could find high quality rubber replacement bushings it would be different. But you can't so the best thing out there for our trucks now is Poly.
In what ways are "Poly bushings are amazing crap"?
I daily drive my '96 D1 with poly bushing in the panhard.
My '98 trail truck, I bought a used RTE panhard and it came with yellow bushings on the axle end. Many years and many thousands of miles later it was still A-OK. The heim obviously sucked and I replaced it with a generic threaded bushing from some street car shop.
The quality of rubber for Land Rover bushings is garbage now. Just about everybody concedes that. If you could find high quality rubber replacement bushings it would be different. But you can't so the best thing out there for our trucks now is Poly.
In what ways are "Poly bushings are amazing crap"?
You guys don't drive a lot, do you?
Poly bushings are amazing crap. The only way to do worse than poly is combine them with heim joints on a street-driven vehicle.
This is all it takes (Chris Snell's photo). Campsite table is optional.
The only truck in which I had to replace Panhard rod bushings is my DD/trail 96 D1 (currently at 267kmi). And the reason for #1 replacement was common as dirt - leaking p/s box/hoses. For #2 replacement - installing an adjustable rod with a heim on one end and poly bushing on another. Replacements #3, 4, and 5 were for the poly bushings on the same adjustable rod until I ditched it.
By the way, poly bushings in rear trailing arms had a lifetime of about a year, too.
On three other trucks - 95 LWB with 240kmi, 95 SWB with 200kmi, and 96 D1 with 167 kmi - I haven't had to replace them even once.
I do agree that replacement LR rubber bushings are garbage - replaced one shown in the photo above after barely a year in the truck. But... can't say anything good about the poly. Not only they fall apart, they develop play way before they fall apart while still looking kind of okay.
You know that's complete BS, right?
ANR3410 - over 800 sold in the last 5 years, 18 returned
all of the 18 were returned because they were not needed.
There is always the possibility that people decided not to return the ones that failed, but we never did a warranty replacement in the last 5 years(or at least documented any)
Except that its not. I bought those exact bushings last year for ny '96. Mighthave even got them from you, IDK. Regardless, they failed within 3 months.
I didn't return them for a few reasons.
1) They were $6 each bushings. Return postage is $6.
2) Why return them? So I can get the same ones and replace them in another 3 months?
3) This was my 2nd bad experience with rubber replacements and I decided it would be my last. The 1st was rubber trailing arm chassis bushings that failed after a few hours of Wisconsin forest roads.
My guess is you're not seeing returns because the bushings are cheap and nobody wants to replace junk with junk.
I didn't return them for a few reasons.
1) They were $6 each bushings. Return postage is $6.
2) Why return them? So I can get the same ones and replace them in another 3 months?
3) This was my 2nd bad experience with rubber replacements and I decided it would be my last. The 1st was rubber trailing arm chassis bushings that failed after a few hours of Wisconsin forest roads.
My guess is you're not seeing returns because the bushings are cheap and nobody wants to replace junk with junk.
Yeah, a zero documented fail rate probably isn't a good point to argue when we're talking about fail rates.
1. we wouldn't make you send them back, we'd just send you new ones
2. you could just use the credit towards poly's if you thought they were better
Point is, not one came back because it failed within a year. We also never credited anyone for one because it failed, even if it didn't come back.
ptschram
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I had-HAD poly bushes on my DI back in the day when I had a real job with paid vacation, and I wheeled (yeah, I know, novel concepts) my radius arm bushings were junk in less than a year. When I went to replace them, they were just as hard to replace as stock.
Not for me, I'll take the middle grade aftermarket offerings.
Not for me, I'll take the middle grade aftermarket offerings.
ptschram
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Good. Sounds like you owe me some money then.
Well, seeing as how you had never ordered from us before I started here....
All my bushings ever came from Atlantic British. I don't know where you work - assume at RN.
But your reliance on the return statistics for a $10 part is amazing.
Would I care to send a broken up bushing back across the country? Hell no. Would I even care to report my findings to AB? I did in the past, to zero effect. So my failure rate is perfectly documented in my brain, and that's what I care for.
Well I'm sorry you had poor experience with AB, I don't work there. But here at RN we don't typically make people send defective products back unless we need them to send to the supplier.
People warranty stuff as small as bulbs, I guess it just depends on the person. But out of 800+, not one person submitted a claim, leads me to believe calling them all "garbage" is a bit of a fallacy.
People warranty stuff as small as bulbs, I guess it just depends on the person. But out of 800+, not one person submitted a claim, leads me to believe calling them all "garbage" is a bit of a fallacy.
Lol. My SuperPros are doing great, about 5,000 miles on them now. I switched to poly after chasing ATF leaks that ate away the rubber, and I have no complaints at all. Also heims on a street rig works great, sorry if a little NVH upsets your hemorrhoids. Maybe you're buying your heims from the same everyone is getting their "genuine" rubber bushings.