Rear Locker. Getting by on Stock Axles for Mud and Snow

[BWiggs]

/hijack on/
Again, Idiot - you have proven the point. You are only famous on this "website". You do realize that right?
/hijack off./

 

[Jupiter Rover]

Didn't I just point out this was a website. Someone didn't get their highschool diploma.....

 

[xtravrt]

i for one am pretty grateful for those folks on here who do contribute a lot. i sure as hell know i dont, becuase I don't know much of anything, still learning.

Exactly. I don't feel I have enough knowledge to offer opinions on most things, but when I feel like I have enough experience, I try and chime, as rarely as that is. I certainly am thankful for most of the advice here.

xtravrt: I generally stay out of most threads, but for this one I can't help myself. You are an idiot. Please go away.

Just last night I typed out a response to your questions about stock CV's with a TT; I didn't hit reply because upon further review of your posts I figured that you were worse than that other idiot Jupiter Rover (only Canadian) and if I were to reply to you with accurate information based on first hand knowledge and experience that you would only question my info and do whatever you thought best anyhow.

You are only doing yourself a disservice by alienating experienced members of this community. I suggest you stop now, reevaluate yourself, and start to listen. Or just go away - it is that simple. If you aren't going to take advise of those that have the experience, then why are you here? Why do you ask questions that you don't want to hear the answers to? You admit that you don't know shit - so why act like such a douche?

Do you realize how confusing some of this stuff is? Some guy I don't know tells me to run TT's because they are better on stock axles if I want to delay upgrading. Then another says they break axles too, then another says they don't work on tires 33" or larger. And you guys say that YOU are trying to weed out the bullshit here. Problem is that everyone has their own opinion, and some state it based on experience, while others on what they've heard, or read somewhere else. I don't look at post count when I read the responses, but I also don't know who among the high posters will tell me unbiased opinions either....yet. I'm getting it, although slowly. Sometimes Thom, Peter, Marc etc. can even disagree. Sheesh! The thing with Keith and the TT should have stayed between him and I. I was under attack by what i thought were his henchmen and felt as though he was steering the boat from the stern. I'll leave it at that. Thanks to everyone else who helped me with motor, gear and locker/lsd questions, even those of you who have since trashed me.

 

[BWiggs]

You do not want to discuss education with me son. Nor do you want to discuss Land Rovers. Don't be quick to judge me by my post count, I can assure you that I have many, many years more experience in these fields than you do. I may not post often, but take the advise that I have tried to give xtravert - you do not want to alienate members of this community; and unfortunatly for both of you, you are well on your way.

 

[Andrew Homan]

I agree, but there aren't very many rovers up here. Plus, you guys wheel differently. You guys are usually in large groups and run trails so you have help. Plus with no trails you're not going to be in someone's way. We have very little restrictions about where we can or can't go. Just this fall my son and I were out in an area alone hunting ducks where no one would ever find us unless they looked by plane and knew where to look. We had the trailer with two quads on it and extra gas that saved our asses. No pit crew.

Oh and the ATV thing was not to express driving experience (although I can do wicked reverse wheelies on my Outlander 800), it was just to say that we live the outdoor life out here and I can always drive my quad to get to work. I refer to us as sophisticated rednecks.

Yes my point exactly you need to be able to fix your truck if it breaks. Especially when you wheel in the wilderness. I'm glad you take your kid duck hunting in the middle of nowhere. But if you just drive and aren't able to repair your truck your not helping him or yourself if you break down.

 

[xtravrt]

Yes my point exactly you need to be able to fix your truck if it breaks. Especially when you wheel in the wilderness. I'm glad you take your kid duck hunting in the middle of nowhere. But if you just drive and aren't able to repair your truck your not helping him or yourself if you break down.

Well that's why when we go there, we bring two quads. He's 12 and knows how to use a compass, the GPS, maps, make shelters, get dry (like putting hand warmers in your boots and lightly balling up your socks to have dry sock and boot in a few hours), and is pretty tough all around. I had a heart attack this summer, and when he shot his first deer a few weeks ago, he wounded it. We tracked it about a mile into the bush and I sent him back for the quad. He not only found his way to the quad and back, he also told me all of his back up plans and what he would do if something happened to me while I was in the bush and he was gone. We were both beat, so I guess he was worried. He's a tough, smart kid and I'm pretty proud of him. He'll be fine and will be just as adventurous as I am. Maybe more so. If we only went to safe places, we'd miss all the best hunting and fishing....:victory:

 

[BWiggs]

Do you realize how confusing some of this stuff is? Some guy I don't know tells me to run TT's because they are better on stock axles if I want to delay upgrading. Then another says they break axles too, then another says they don't work on tires 33" or larger. And you guys say that YOU are trying to weed out the bullshit here. Problem is that everyone has their own opinion, and some state it based on experience, while others on what they've heard, or read somewhere else. I don't look at post count when I read the responses, but I also don't know who among the high posters will tell me unbiased opinions either....yet. I'm getting it, although slowly. Sometimes Thom, Peter, Marc etc. can even disagree. Sheesh! The thing with Keith and the TT should have stayed between him and I. I was under attack by what i thought were his henchmen and felt as though he was steering the boat from the stern. I'll leave it at that. Thanks to everyone else who helped me with motor, gear and locker/lsd questions, even those of you who have since trashed me.

Yes this can be very confusing, however - this being Discoweb - you need to learn to weed out the "I've heards" and the "IMHOs". Listen to those that have run the set-ups that you are asking about and trust that their experience will steer you right. Now, in my experience with a DII w/ 4.11's F&R with dual TT's running 285/75 BFG M/Ts has been that it isn't too difficult to break stock CV's under the right circumstances. I went through 3 stock CV's (always the long side) prior to upgrading to CVU's, and each breakage occured while climbing uphill, turning with a tire wedged against either a V-notch, a rock, or a root, and with moderate throttle. The first two times happened with CDL unlocked and can be attributed to torque shock of the spinning tire grabbing traction. The last time I was CDL locked, I don't think the stocker could handle the steering angle. Every time that I have broken a CV I have been able to get home with the CDL engaged. I haven't had trouble with the TT with them CV breakage, but on each occasion the breakage occured at either the bell or the star of the CV, not the diff side of the shaft - I am not sure how the TT would react to that, although I suspect that with the CDL engaged, that rear would receive power and if there wasn't any binding of the front diff you'd be able to get home.

I hope this helps ease your confusion.

 

[xtravrt]

Yes this can be very confusing, however - this being Discoweb - you need to learn to weed out the "I've heards" and the "IMHOs". Listen to those that have run the set-ups that you are asking about and trust that their experience will steer you right. Now, in my experience with a DII w/ 4.11's F&R with dual TT's running 285/75 BFG M/Ts has been that it isn't too difficult to break stock CV's under the right circumstances. I went through 3 stock CV's (always the long side) prior to upgrading to CVU's, and each breakage occured while climbing uphill, turning with a tire wedged against either a V-notch, a rock, or a root, and with moderate throttle. The first two times happened with CDL unlocked and can be attributed to torque shock of the spinning tire grabbing traction. The last time I was CDL locked, I don't think the stock could handle the steering angle. Every time that I have broken a CV I have been able to get home with the CDL engaged. I haven't had trouble with the TT with them CV breakage, but on each occasion the breakage occured at either the bell or the star of the CV, not the diff side of the shaft - I am not sure how the TT would react to that, although I suspect that with the CDL engaged, that the otherside would still receive power, and thus get you home.

I hope this helps ease your confusion.

Well that's certainly good first hand knowledge and I thank you sir. I'm not sure how the CV works compared to the rear axles that allows them to break and not destroy the TT or diff, and allow you to get home without pulling it apart, but I am going to look into it. I'm going to have to search to see what a CVU is compared to a stock CV. Regardless this certainly flies in the face of those that say they are unlikely to break and makes one think running anything without HD axles and CVs is foolish unless you know how to fix it in the field. Alas, I already have the third almost here (hope tomorrow) and gears too. I'm going to run through the rave CD and educate myself a bit. Since I have to break in the motor, perhaps I'll just wheel carefully on those stock cvs until the sting of the motor repair wears off. Thanks again for taking the time to provide your experience sir.

 

[crown14]

Lol

 

[SGaynor]

How do you piss of Musky and Steve Rupp in the same thread? Why not go for three and piss of Marc O. That way you'll never get good solid technical advice from d-web again. WTF happen to being humble and listening to those who know?

Because he just doesn't listen...

http://www.discoweb.org/forums/showpost.php?p=613173&postcount=14

 

[Rugbier]

:rofl:

Pete, maybe under your signature you should add " THE ONE AND ONLY, OFTEN IMITATED NEVER DUPLICATED " :smilelol:

Hey look I'm famous.

 

[peter sherman]

I'm going to run through the rave CD and educate myself a bit
Ain't that somthing! Thanks for the warning...

Man, I thought you were the type of bitch that needs to be told what to do..n'est–ce pas?
Why do that you can just post up some long winded bullshit about your awsome wheeling prowes. NO ONE gives a fuck! You are not impressing anyone..
Pay Keith what you owe him.
Move on!

 

[crown14]

ATTN HO:

Bucket this motherfucker already!


:tribe:

 

[Bannon88]

Is this one Hall of Fame worthy yet?

If not it is right on the cusp.

 

[Jupiter Rover]

You do not want to discuss education with me son. Nor do you want to discuss Land Rovers. Don't be quick to judge me by my post count, I can assure you that I have many, many years more experience in these fields than you do. I may not post often, but take the advise that I have tried to give xtravert - you do not want to alienate members of this community; and unfortunatly for both of you, you are well on your way.

I don't judge anyone by their post count. Unlike the many many other dwebbers on here. I didn't question your vast knowledge of land rovers and 4x4s. Just the knowledge one would gain from going to grade school. I'm pretty sure your profile said you were 27 last night. So there is no need for calling me son. You are younger than my brother.

 

[Mongo]

Well that's certainly good first hand knowledge and I thank you sir. I'm not sure how the CV works compared to the rear axles that allows them to break and not destroy the TT or diff, and allow you to get home without pulling it apart, but I am going to look into it. I'm going to have to search to see what a CVU is compared to a stock CV. Regardless this certainly flies in the face of those that say they are unlikely to break and makes one think running anything without HD axles and CVs is foolish unless you know how to fix it in the field. Alas, I already have the third almost here (hope tomorrow) and gears too. I'm going to run through the rave CD and educate myself a bit. Since I have to break in the motor, perhaps I'll just wheel carefully on those stock cvs until the sting of the motor repair wears off. Thanks again for taking the time to provide your experience sir.

What a fucking moron...please do all the research you'd like and post it on LRO, because this shit has been beat to death by fucktards like you time and time again here. Every month some idiot shows up and asked really dumb questions, then magically after being told several times the smart way of doing things, has more experience, better driving ability and repair skills than the guy's who have stated the facts.
It's funny how experience grows exponentially with post counts by newbs like ahj, gem, jupiter turd and this fucking idiot because they bolt a bunch of shit on thier trucks while 90% of the time don't even know how the shit works, or will it work in there application. The bullshit begins and then have the gall to bash vendors who do nothing but provide innovative solutions to the obvious weak points in the rover drive train, and then quote advice from other vendors who do nothing more than piggyback on the success of those whom did the original design. Do need to spell that out for you asshat...

I don't think Keith is going to miss your business and I doubt highly your gonna sway business away from him.

HO, please DON"T BAN this guy...it's too much fun watching him make a fool out of himself and prove he's nothing more than a wanna be

 

[Jupiter Rover]

:rofl:

Pete, maybe under your signature you should add " THE ONE AND ONLY, OFTEN IMITATED NEVER DUPLICATED " :smilelol:

lol.. Some people forget the interweb is just for fun. And I'm having a good 'ol time'

 

[Jupiter Rover]

What a fucking moron...please do all the research you'd like and post it on LRO, because this shit has been beat to death by fucktards like you time and time again here. Every month some idiot shows up and asked really dumb questions, then magically after being told several times the smart way of doing things, has more experience, better driving ability and repair skills than the guy's who have stated the facts.
It's funny how experience grows exponentially with post counts by newbs like ahj, gem, jupiter turd and this fucking idiot because they bolt a bunch of shit on thier trucks while 90% of the time don't even know how the shit works, or will it work in there application. The bullshit begins and then have the gall to bash vendors who do nothing but provide innovative solutions to the obvious weak points in the rover drive train, and then quote advice from other vendors who do nothing more than piggyback on the success of those whom did the original design. Do need to spell that out for you asshat...

I don't think Keith is going to miss your business and I doubt highly your gonna sway business away from him.

HO, please DON"T BAN this guy...it's too much fun watching him make a fool out of himself and prove he's nothing more than a wanna be

Why are you hating on me? I never disagree completely with what you say about technical stuff. The only thing I can think of is the talk of 35s on stock axles and I just said I have seen them on stock axles. 99% of the time I take the knowledgeable one's ,such as you, word for truth. No need to get on the I hate jupiter bandwagon.

 

[Mongo]

OK, sorry...just you've said some stupid shit...

 

[lunchbox]

I love the word fucktard.