D Chapman said:
80lb kit will fill 5 cu feet so this should be split by probably 2-3 trucks. will have to check the sizes of the sill to figure out the volume.. :rockon:
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80lb kit will fill 5 cu feet so this should be split by probably 2-3 trucks. will have to check the sizes of the sill to figure out the volume.. :rockon:
Man this is a flash back. I thought Steve young was the only one who believed a Frame mount slider would offer any protection. If you think that 3" nefr on the RTE gave you enough leverage to twist the slider how is a brace that runs all the way to the frame going to support anything eventhe weight of the truck?
Mine have never rotated they have flexed enough to push the front fender up but never in the middle never even to the point of the door even rubbing.I don't even know what make they are as they were on my truck when I bought it but I sure would buy them again
Mine have never rotated they have flexed enough to push the front fender up but never in the middle never even to the point of the door even rubbing.I don't even know what make they are as they were on my truck when I bought it but I sure would buy them again
I'm of the same school of thought as Roverover, I just can't see how the Rock-ware arm dealies that connect the slider to the frame are going to hold up, either the mounting tab will rip, the arm will bend, the bolts will sheer or the frame ears will bend/rip, but one way or another I bet you fuck up your doors quicker with those than Slick-Rocks. I've landed hard enough on my Slick-Rocks to dent the bottom of the 3/16 wall tubing, but the sills are still square and straight and they will pop off and reinstall as easy as ever.
The rockware unit may be crap, but people have been using frame mounts for ages, and they work fine. You just have to build them properly. When done properly, it's far better than sill mounted. The problems people are having with the RTE sliders are related partly to how they are made, and partly to what they are attached to.
You can't send a few bolts through bodywark and expect it to be OK, just as you can't do the same with the body mount tab.
Cheers,
Kennith
You can't send a few bolts through bodywark and expect it to be OK, just as you can't do the same with the body mount tab.
Cheers,
Kennith
roverover said:
That's basically the only problem I've had with my SG sliders so far. On the front they have pushed up the fenders and mine have rubbed on the bottom of the front doors, but not enough to dent them (I know because the sliders have the doors paint on them).
But eventually I'm sure they will bend, or more likely the sill will bend, and hit my doors and damage them.
My sliders are welded to the frame. Yes when i sat them on a rock hard enough they came up and blocked the door BUT went back down into place easily enough with some guys standing on them. I dont think you can do the same with sill-mounted ones.
And I agree If you are in an area were you are scrubbing over dirt and sand or can sit the slider down so it only flexes than you will be fine with a frame or any other arm attached slider but if you get into situations were you may come down real hard on them than they have to be attached firmly to the part being protected in this case the sill. Think about an athletic support just a thin piece of material but hold the package tight and it will be fine.
I've watched many people beat the tar out of frame mounted sliders. Not on Rovers, but believe me, they stood up to some abuse. Abuse I would never put a truck through, flat out bouncing over every rock they found. They had some pretty serious mounts. I've been thinking about making some for my own Disco II, but it's going to be difficult to get them right. These trucks don't lend themselves to that sort of thing very well. It will require some serious thought to make, and they won't be cheap to make, either. If I do try, I'll have to work with my neighbor on them, as they would eclipse my fabrication skills.
If we were talking pickup, here, it would be easy, but we aren't. There are lines to follow, and the frame is all kinds of busy. It's also a long way to that frame on the Disco, compared to other trucks. That means the mount and arm have to be built very well. Compound that with the fact that there is precious little room between the suspension arms, and you have a royal pain in the ass to deal with if you want to make some. Then try and keep to the body contours to please everyone, and you may as well try to build a piece of sculpture.
That's why we have all these sill mounted models, and no frame mounted models. It's a whole hell of a lot harder to build the frame mounts. They would probably end up being a grand a pair if anyone did try to sell them, and none of you cheap buggers would pay that.:rofl:
Cheers,
Kennith
If we were talking pickup, here, it would be easy, but we aren't. There are lines to follow, and the frame is all kinds of busy. It's also a long way to that frame on the Disco, compared to other trucks. That means the mount and arm have to be built very well. Compound that with the fact that there is precious little room between the suspension arms, and you have a royal pain in the ass to deal with if you want to make some. Then try and keep to the body contours to please everyone, and you may as well try to build a piece of sculpture.
That's why we have all these sill mounted models, and no frame mounted models. It's a whole hell of a lot harder to build the frame mounts. They would probably end up being a grand a pair if anyone did try to sell them, and none of you cheap buggers would pay that.:rofl:
Cheers,
Kennith
bri said:
I just want to clarify by saying that I don't know if those are good or bad, I'm just saying there is more than one way to skin a cat. If there are people here that are unsatisfied with those, that doesn't mean they can't be satisfied at all with frame mounts. It just means they will have to make some themselves. Nothing against Rockware, here, I don't have any of their stuff, so I can't say anything either way.
Cheers,
Kennith
kennith said:
Just don't understand why you would want these expensive, heavy, more to get hung up on clusterfuck of material hanging under your truck that may work almost as well as a sill mount just to say you have a frame mount???
I think this subject will still be debated after the last rover heads to the scrap heap. I think the one factor that all forget is the nut behind the wheel. Anything will not work if it is abused beyond its potential or limitations. I have a set and have no clue who made them, but I always try and drive like they are not there and use them when I really have no choice.
dutchman said:
Well, this is also true, but some buy them to beat them.
It doesn't really matter. Each has it's advantages, and neither can fully replace the other. A sill mount is clean and simple, and easier on our vehicles, but is limited by what it is attached to. You can write a check and have a set. A frame mount can be stronger, but they are heavy, expensive, and if made improperly, useless. They also tend to catch up more often, but this is almost academic, given the number of things under the truck to catch up on to begin with. To get these, you either don't have a DII, or you make them.
As with anything, they should be taken care of, but they won't do much good if they can't take a pounding. When you get into rocks, sometimes it can be very hard not to land on them with some force. That's not neccessarily what they are for, but that's how they are used quite often, and that's what they should be designed to tolerate given that fact.
Most other vehicles have a great selection of sliders to choose from. Given that I drive with varied makes more than with other Rovers, I have seen what frame mounts are capable of, and it is pretty darned impressive. To each their own, but I'm tired of hearing it's the sill way or the highway. That's just not true.
Just because Rovertym doesn't sell it doesn't mean it's not good. There are a limited number of things to buy for a Land Rover. Other makes enjoy a vastly superior aftermarket support, and many have been sliding from their frame mounts for a long time without issue. To suggest that the idea is fundamentally inferior is a fallacy.
Cheers,
Kennith
I don't want people to think that I baby my truck in any means. I will push everything 110%. I was just trying to express my opion that this is a known weak spot on our fine trucks. I try not to really drop on them hard but as people with me can contest I have drop hard on more than one occassion. I just don't like to make a habit of doing that all the time. i just wish I knew the answer on how to make this ultimately bullet proof.
my NWP sliders and sills are pretty beat up...
I've seen well built sliders on a fj80 that had them mounted on the body mounts and they seem to hold up extemely well. They do have 3 or 4 body mounts along the sill area vs our 2 though.
I've seen well built sliders on a fj80 that had them mounted on the body mounts and they seem to hold up extemely well. They do have 3 or 4 body mounts along the sill area vs our 2 though.
dutchman said:
Nothing wrong with a little babying. I try my best to baby mine, especially on the trail. Just call me Mr. Slow.
Cheers,
Kennith
So are you saying people with you will say you've never dropped on them? Or that you make a habit of doing it?dutchman said:
I don't think "contest" is the word you wanted