tightgroup said:
Hitler was a mass murdering psychopath who generated a huge army to take over Europe. That part is different.
so when they come to get your kid what do you do?
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Hitler was a mass murdering psychopath who generated a huge army to take over Europe. That part is different.
ptschram
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I love you guys!
I'm so glad to know I'm not the only wacko (even those of you I disagree with! Of Course, I'll defend your right to disagree)
I'm so glad to know I'm not the only wacko (even those of you I disagree with! Of Course, I'll defend your right to disagree)
cptyarderho said:
are you a fucking idiot?
the house past this on the first vote..."never work" or not, if it becomes law it will change America as we know it.
so no I dont need remedial reading classes I need people like you to wake the fuck up to what your hope and change votes are doing to our country.
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cptyarderho said:
you better go read the story before you start making statements
This is not black helicopters, this is a draft of our youth.
ptschram
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If this is required by law, what penalties are there for refusing this "service"?
Gee, I think there was a time in America when such services were provied by private individuals, churches, social services groups, etc. NOT GOVERNMENT!
What government gives you, they can take away! (I think I got that right this time Thom.)
Gee, I think there was a time in America when such services were provied by private individuals, churches, social services groups, etc. NOT GOVERNMENT!
What government gives you, they can take away! (I think I got that right this time Thom.)
It will not work because real people are not going to allow them to force service classes if they do not support core academics. Law or not, it will not survive. Please bookmark this thread so that a year from now when it does not happen I will not need to remind you that I was right.
You are entitled to your opinion, but I am not impressed with your grasp of the function of government yet. I will give you the benefit of the doubt and read what I can later. I was working when I posted, forgive me for not stopping the world to read your political post link on a Rover site.
May I venture a guess as to what action you are taking on this outside of vitriol on a car site?
You are entitled to your opinion, but I am not impressed with your grasp of the function of government yet. I will give you the benefit of the doubt and read what I can later. I was working when I posted, forgive me for not stopping the world to read your political post link on a Rover site.
May I venture a guess as to what action you are taking on this outside of vitriol on a car site?
MUSKYMAN said:you better go read the story before you start making statements
This is not black helicopters, this is a draft of our youth.
I will do the realistic thing, I will read over the actual law. Here...
http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-s277/text
I am not seeing anything that requires it. I am still reading.
"...It anticipates the possibility of... "
interesting wording in the Opinion piece. It does not say mandate, it says anticipates- laws generally do not anticipate unless referencing possible acts like terrorist attack or the plague. To anticipate the possiblity sounds very black helicopterish to me.
Still reading.
interesting wording in the Opinion piece. It does not say mandate, it says anticipates- laws generally do not anticipate unless referencing possible acts like terrorist attack or the plague. To anticipate the possiblity sounds very black helicopterish to me.
Still reading.
?(1) IN GENERAL- The recipient of a grant under section 121(a) and a Federal agency operating or supporting a national service program under section 121(b) may use the assistance involved, directly or through subgrants to other entities, to carry out national service programs and model programs under this subsection that are focused on meeting community needs and improve performance on the indicators described in paragraph (3).
grants are money offered, may is a word people often use to suggest something less than required.
grants are money offered, may is a word people often use to suggest something less than required.
?(a) In General- From amounts appropriated for a fiscal year to provide financial assistance under this subtitle and consistent with the restriction in subsection (b), the Corporation may, through fixed-amount grants (in accordance with section 129(l)), provide operational support to programs that receive approved national service positions but do not receive funds under section 121(a)
Here is the wording of all the general amendments to the pre-existing law, I am looking for the Required part.
Section 2(b) (42 U.S.C. 12501(b)) is amended-- CommentsClose CommentsPermalink
(1) in paragraph (2), by striking ?community throughout? and inserting ?community and service throughout the varied and diverse communities of?; CommentsClose CommentsPermalink
(2) in paragraph (4), by inserting after ?income,? the following: ?geographic location,?; CommentsClose CommentsPermalink
(3) in paragraph (6), by inserting after ?existing? the following: ?national?; CommentsClose CommentsPermalink
(4) in paragraph (7)-- CommentsClose CommentsPermalink
(A) by striking ?programs and agencies? and inserting ?programs, agencies, and communities?; and CommentsClose CommentsPermalink
(B) by striking ?and? at the end; CommentsClose CommentsPermalink
(5) in paragraph (8), by striking the period and inserting a semicolon; and CommentsClose CommentsPermalink
(6) by adding at the end the following: CommentsClose CommentsPermalink
?(9) expand and strengthen service-learning programs through year-round opportunities, including opportunities during the summer months, to improve the education of children and youth and to maximize the benefits of national and community service, in order to renew the ethic of civic responsibility and the spirit of community for children and youth throughout the United States; CommentsClose CommentsPermalink
?(10) assist in coordinating and strengthening Federal and other service opportunities, including opportunities for participation in emergency and disaster preparedness, relief, and recovery; CommentsClose CommentsPermalink
?(11) increase service opportunities for the Nation?s retiring professionals, including such opportunities for those retiring from the science, technical, engineering, and mathematics professions, to improve the education of the Nation?s youth and keep America competitive in the global knowledge economy, and to further utilize the experience, knowledge, and skills of older individuals; CommentsClose CommentsPermalink
?(12) encourage the continued service of the alumni of the national service programs, including service in times of national need; CommentsClose CommentsPermalink
?(13) encourage individuals age 55 or older to partake of service opportunities; CommentsClose CommentsPermalink
?(14) focus national service on the areas of national need such service has the capacity to address, such as improving education, increasing energy conservation, improving the health status of economically disadvantaged individuals, and improving economic opportunity for economically disadvantaged individuals; CommentsClose CommentsPermalink
?(15) recognize and increase the impact of social entrepreneurs and other nonprofit community organizations in addressing national and local challenges; CommentsClose CommentsPermalink
?(16) increase public and private investment in nonprofit community organizations that are effectively addressing national and local challenges and encourage such organizations to replicate and expand successful initiatives; CommentsClose CommentsPermalink
?(17) leverage Federal investments to increase State, local, business, and philanthropic resources to address national and local challenges; and CommentsClose CommentsPermalink
?(18) support institutions of higher education that engage students in community service activities and provide high-quality service-learning opportunities for in-school and.?.
Section 2(b) (42 U.S.C. 12501(b)) is amended-- CommentsClose CommentsPermalink
(1) in paragraph (2), by striking ?community throughout? and inserting ?community and service throughout the varied and diverse communities of?; CommentsClose CommentsPermalink
(2) in paragraph (4), by inserting after ?income,? the following: ?geographic location,?; CommentsClose CommentsPermalink
(3) in paragraph (6), by inserting after ?existing? the following: ?national?; CommentsClose CommentsPermalink
(4) in paragraph (7)-- CommentsClose CommentsPermalink
(A) by striking ?programs and agencies? and inserting ?programs, agencies, and communities?; and CommentsClose CommentsPermalink
(B) by striking ?and? at the end; CommentsClose CommentsPermalink
(5) in paragraph (8), by striking the period and inserting a semicolon; and CommentsClose CommentsPermalink
(6) by adding at the end the following: CommentsClose CommentsPermalink
?(9) expand and strengthen service-learning programs through year-round opportunities, including opportunities during the summer months, to improve the education of children and youth and to maximize the benefits of national and community service, in order to renew the ethic of civic responsibility and the spirit of community for children and youth throughout the United States; CommentsClose CommentsPermalink
?(10) assist in coordinating and strengthening Federal and other service opportunities, including opportunities for participation in emergency and disaster preparedness, relief, and recovery; CommentsClose CommentsPermalink
?(11) increase service opportunities for the Nation?s retiring professionals, including such opportunities for those retiring from the science, technical, engineering, and mathematics professions, to improve the education of the Nation?s youth and keep America competitive in the global knowledge economy, and to further utilize the experience, knowledge, and skills of older individuals; CommentsClose CommentsPermalink
?(12) encourage the continued service of the alumni of the national service programs, including service in times of national need; CommentsClose CommentsPermalink
?(13) encourage individuals age 55 or older to partake of service opportunities; CommentsClose CommentsPermalink
?(14) focus national service on the areas of national need such service has the capacity to address, such as improving education, increasing energy conservation, improving the health status of economically disadvantaged individuals, and improving economic opportunity for economically disadvantaged individuals; CommentsClose CommentsPermalink
?(15) recognize and increase the impact of social entrepreneurs and other nonprofit community organizations in addressing national and local challenges; CommentsClose CommentsPermalink
?(16) increase public and private investment in nonprofit community organizations that are effectively addressing national and local challenges and encourage such organizations to replicate and expand successful initiatives; CommentsClose CommentsPermalink
?(17) leverage Federal investments to increase State, local, business, and philanthropic resources to address national and local challenges; and CommentsClose CommentsPermalink
?(18) support institutions of higher education that engage students in community service activities and provide high-quality service-learning opportunities for in-school and.?.
maybe obama hates overweight people and is going to fix our # 1 killer,
heart disease at its core.
we'll just think of all the child-slaves as federal 'junior woodchucks.'
heart disease at its core.
we'll just think of all the child-slaves as federal 'junior woodchucks.'
All the legal gobledegook aside, common sense and experience tells me that if indeed this goes through and there is indeed an out for not participating, I foresee being denied grants or government sponsored scholarships etc if one has not participated. If you don't play the gub don't pay. It just plain doesn't pass the smell test.
edit: personal choice and freedom be damned
edit: personal choice and freedom be damned
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I have to wonder why they are waisting the time, effort, and money for this bullshit. I guess Obama is doing the only thing he has experience in. Community organizing. After all if it is not going to be enforced why pass it in the first place?
Obama is a dumbass beyond the pale.
Obama is a dumbass beyond the pale.
this is old Democrats, the bill is sponsored by Kennedy among others.
similar to the Gingrich period, when one party gains great leverage they swing for the fences until the populace swings the other way.
similar to the Gingrich period, when one party gains great leverage they swing for the fences until the populace swings the other way.
