toyota recall

[varova87]

Pics or it isn't true.

Please... I'll send you a pic of the truck to your phone. As for the gf, you're just gonna have to drag your sorry butt up here to Lynchburg for a visit and meet her yourself. I'll even pay for your snowflex pass. She's from Alabama, though. So I know you'll approve.

 

[Blue]

Toyota doesn't need any recalls; the drivers just need better training. Where's Kennith?

 

[MarkP]

I beginning to wonder if this isn't the beginning/ramping of a trade war / protectionism / unions move. First China tires, steel, etc. and now Japan. Other cars have higher incident rates but after the Government Motors bailout the primary target becomes the most successful foreign competitor.

 

[p m]

from the tone of the press, it just may be.
Fed's been provided with the data about runaway Toyotas as far back as 7 years ago (from insurance companies) and didn't care about it a bit, now it's oh-so-convenient.

 

[sideview]

I think it has more to do with the attention from the 911 call of the family that got killed in September than a government conspiracy.

 

[p m]

I think it has more to do with the attention from the 911 call of the family that got killed in September than a government conspiracy.

This was definitely a trigger. It would be hard to argue that a CHP veteran was a dumb-ass driver and it was his fault.

 

[seventyfive]

From what I'm reading it wasn't the pedal itself or carpeting, it was the sensor + software that had no override capability./QUOTE]
force transmission into neutral or if you can put it in reverse. unless those cars don't have 4 wire stop light switches the can side should tell the egs module brakes are applied and the vehicle should be able to be forced into reverse, worst case scenario.

 

[MarkP]

This was definitely a trigger. It would be hard to argue that a CHP veteran was a dumb-ass driver and it was his fault.

If this was the trigger case, bad example.

I agree Peter, dumb-ass driver. Shift the car to neutral and coast/brake to a stop. What did he do? Panic and hit the brakes under full acceleration. Eventually no brakes due to overheating.

That said, the news reports are that this incident may not have been brake/carpet related. That it might have been a software/computer induced full acceleration. So full circle back to existing cruise control systems that deactivate if the brake signal is detected. Appears that, in this case, "one line of code" might be a valid observation.

 

[p m]

If this was the trigger case, bad example.

I agree Peter, dumb-ass driver. Shift the car to neutral and coast/brake to a stop. What did he do? Panic and hit the brakes under full acceleration. Eventually no brakes due to overheating.

According to some sources, it couldn't be shifted to Neutral when the ECU assumed the driver was accelerating.
I never said it was a case of dumb-ass driver.

 

[MarkP]

According to some sources, it couldn't be shifted to Neutral when the ECU assumed the driver was accelerating.
I never said it was a case of dumb-ass driver.

Ah, misread your post.

Didn't realize all the interlocks prevented shifting to neutral under acceleration. :ack: Bad design / lack of failure mode analysis.

 

[p m]

:ack: Bad design / lack of failure mode analysis.

This was what I tried to explain to Kennith in the other trainwreck of a thread.

Toyota's behavior in this whole story mirrored my own limited experience with working with Japanese - they will go to the moon to defend their opinion. If you haven't managed to convince them in the past, they will disregard all you're saying, and the only thing that might change that is a yank of a chain from the top.

 

[GYM]

Got an email from Hertz, since i rent from them quite a bit, saying they are addressing the Toyota vehicle issue and pulling the faulty ones out of their rental fleet. For those not comfortable renting Toyotas because of all this, they got plenty other models to choose from.

I received an email from Avis saying virtually the same thing...

 

[az_max]

my fix: add lines of code that say when at WOT and brakes are applied, brakes override gas pedal settings. no more burn outs for the kids, but safer cars.

 

[Timmy!!!!!!!]

Please... I'll send you a pic of the truck to your phone. As for the gf, you're just gonna have to drag your sorry butt up here to Lynchburg for a visit and meet her yourself. I'll even pay for your snowflex pass. She's from Alabama, though. So I know you'll approve.

Hmmm I could ride AMTRAK for $126 up to lynchburg from NOLA... The guy to girl ratio at my school sucks so I may have to visit Liberty

 

[sven]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6B2e6D484v8

 

[MarkP]

FYI ....

US Finds No Defect in Toyota's Electronic Throttles

 

[ArmyRover]

Thats ok we have moved on to Lexus keyless systems killing people with CO2 instead...

http://www.autoevolution.com/news/keyless-ignition-blamed-for-carbon-monoxide-poisoning-30894.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...s-ignition-blamed-carbon-monoxide-deaths.html

 

[knewsom]

natural selection at work...

 

[jhmover]

Stupid people and you can bet their relatives will be suing.

 

[az_max]

Stupid people and you can bet their relatives will be suing.

yup

"The engine should shut off after a specific period of time of inactivity. It's a problem that's only going to be magnified as more cars end up on the road with keyless start," Rivera's lawyer, Noah Kushlefsky, says.