ArmyRover said:
Happened here in Raleigh a few months back...they were friends of a co-worker of mine.
One person died, the other is just about vegitative levels.
toyota recall
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Happened here in Raleigh a few months back...they were friends of a co-worker of mine.
One person died, the other is just about vegitative levels.
p m said:
Link the thread, Ruskie.
I don't have to argue again. My points still stand. All of them. Toyotas are perfectly safe, so long as you read the manual.
Cheers,
Kennith
ever check the date of the post?kennith said:Link the thread, Ruskie.
I don't have to argue again. My points still stand. All of them. Toyotas are perfectly safe, so long as you read the manual.
Tomorrow is one year anniversary of that one.
I don't give a shit about Toyotas except for FJ60 and FJ80, and this crap doesn't apply to them.
Gotta go with Kennith and Knewsom on this one. What ever happened to just cutting the damn ignition off??? Car and driver did a test and stated that the toyotas brakes were three times stronger than the engine and the car would stop everytime with both the accelerator and brake pedal depressed.
I think its a case of people trying to profit at the misfortune of some other idiot that can't drive.
I think its a case of people trying to profit at the misfortune of some other idiot that can't drive.
p m said:
The thread... Was it a year ago already? That was fun.
I'm not keen on the cars. The Tacoma is a good little pickup, I like the available 4 cylinder.
Cheers,
Kennith
kennith said:The thread... Was it a year ago already? That was fun.
I'm not keen on the cars. The Tacoma is a good little pickup, I like the available 4 cylinder.
Cheers,
Kennith
Id rather have an old red rusty Datsun with a 2.4l.
bastard.
we have a few little Hilux pickups around here - if they didn't look this hideous, I'd longe for one. That 2.7 four-banger is a nice and torquey motor - pulls pretty strong right off the idle, no need to burn the clutch. The transmission's pretty truck-y, though, feels like it could use double-clutching every once in a while. I forgot that feeling.kennith said:The thread... Was it a year ago already? That was fun.
I'm not keen on the cars. The Tacoma is a good little pickup, I like the available 4 cylinder.
When I set out to buy a 4x4, the original plan was to buy a Toyota Tacoma with the 4-door cab, a 4-runner, or a Land Cruiser, but all were prohibitively expensive, even with hundreds of thousands of miles on them and a decade+ old. Sure, I could have bought one, but I didn't want to spend that much, nor did I want to finance a vehicle. I paid less than half as much for my Disco which was already lifted and came with winch and bumper. Sure, it's needed more work than a Toyota would have, but how much more is anyone's guess - ALL vehicles break, and when it comes down to it, I'd rather have one that I can fix rather than needing to shell out many thousands of dollars to specialty mechanics. By all accounts, Yotas are much tougher to work on.
MarkP said:
Before anybody gets too carried away, let's be clear. There's no defect in the code that could cause the car to go full throttle unless it gets a full throttle signal.
Only a few crackpots suggested that in the first place.
The recalls of the floormats and throttle pedal assembly still stand. And Toyota did try to bury the pedal one, which is why they were fined. My pet theory is the floor mat thing was a red herring all along, Toyota's attempt to avoid or delay recalling millions of defective pedals when they didn't have a fix.
Requires a push and hold of the ignition button for 3 seconds while the car is in motion. Not intuitive if you haven't read the manual. Not easy to remember even if you did read the manual 2 years ago and haven't ever needed to do it before, and are now in a panic.
First push, yes. Second push... not so much. So, as long as you stand on the brake pedal hard, the first time, and NEVER let up at all, you're good. Do it once or twice, and you're done. So, say your throttle is stuck, you stand on the brakes and get the car under control. Instead of pulling over on the busy highway overpass with no shoulder, you decided to see if you can get to a safer spot. Thinking you're in control, you maybe let off the brake just a bit to keep up with traffic. Step on the brake a second time and.... ooops, no more power assist.
On the third pump, my D2 brakes are not powerful enough to overcome the engine power, no matter how hard I tried. And that's on a truck with only 217hp. A far cry from the 300hp sedans being built these days.
Toyota also failed to insert a line of code whereby if the gas is applied at the same time as the brakes, it will assume something is wrong and cut power. Everybody else did, seemingly.
Wait, which side are you on? You agree?
Frankly, I was surprised when I tested it. I didn't expect it would be that bad.
Frankly, I was surprised when I tested it. I didn't expect it would be that bad.
Me?
Long-distance towing with a rope is common in Russia. I know just how strong non-power-assisted brakes are (which are normally power-assisted).
Anyone in a Classic or P38A with failed pump knows how much stopping power is there left after the first pump.
And it blows my mind that fuckers keep bringing up the idea of vacuum-assisted brakes perfectly capable to slow down and stop a vehicle at WOT.
Long-distance towing with a rope is common in Russia. I know just how strong non-power-assisted brakes are (which are normally power-assisted).
Anyone in a Classic or P38A with failed pump knows how much stopping power is there left after the first pump.
And it blows my mind that fuckers keep bringing up the idea of vacuum-assisted brakes perfectly capable to slow down and stop a vehicle at WOT.
Exactly. Part of the problem is not only is there no assist, but due to the design of the booster, you're now pushing back against pressure, not just on the brakes.
Same deal as when you put it in neutral, shut off the engine, and then try to steer against the power assist that is no longer working. It's way harder than a manual rack.
A sticking throttle is not the end of the world. I've dealt with it before myself. But is it easy-peasy? Not necessarily. I was in an 80hp Tempo with a manual transmission and a real ignition key, on neighborhood street leaving a stop sign. Put me in a 300hp sedan with an auto trans, keyless ignition, on a busy freeway... not something I look forward to.
Toyota fucked up the mechanical design of their pedal, and then tried to cover it up or delay. They go caught, and they got bitch slapped, just as happened to Ford with the Firestone fiasco.
Same deal as when you put it in neutral, shut off the engine, and then try to steer against the power assist that is no longer working. It's way harder than a manual rack.
A sticking throttle is not the end of the world. I've dealt with it before myself. But is it easy-peasy? Not necessarily. I was in an 80hp Tempo with a manual transmission and a real ignition key, on neighborhood street leaving a stop sign. Put me in a 300hp sedan with an auto trans, keyless ignition, on a busy freeway... not something I look forward to.
Toyota fucked up the mechanical design of their pedal, and then tried to cover it up or delay. They go caught, and they got bitch slapped, just as happened to Ford with the Firestone fiasco.
Many of these issues are common to several manufacturers. Chevy has had several recalls on electric steering problems. Some reports have the steering quit at high speed, not respond and then veer off the road into serious accidents. Heard about that? Didn't think so.
So why Toyota? Could it be market share during the transition from General Motors to Government Motors? Who needed Toyota to take a hit?
So why Toyota? Could it be market share during the transition from General Motors to Government Motors? Who needed Toyota to take a hit?
The conspiracy theory is ridiculous. Did Ninja's sneak in at night and stuff that police officer's floormats up under the pedals, too? That's what really got the ball rolling on all this. Was USA Today heavily invested in GM? Why did they choose to run the story so heavily?
Toyota has benefitted for years from an exaggerated positive quality perception. Their shit didn't stink. Well, they finally took a hit, and now some people just can't believe that it was a natural occurance.
Heck, even at the height of the recall campaigns, Toyota was still benefitting from the false media spin on fuel economy where GM was portayed as making gas guzzlers and Toyota was the golden child of the green movement.
Where were the government spin-doctors there? Sure, GM didn't have a hybrid, but their vehicles achieved better real world milage than Toyota's standard vehicles.
Toyota has benefitted for years from an exaggerated positive quality perception. Their shit didn't stink. Well, they finally took a hit, and now some people just can't believe that it was a natural occurance.
Heck, even at the height of the recall campaigns, Toyota was still benefitting from the false media spin on fuel economy where GM was portayed as making gas guzzlers and Toyota was the golden child of the green movement.
Where were the government spin-doctors there? Sure, GM didn't have a hybrid, but their vehicles achieved better real world milage than Toyota's standard vehicles.
Why Toyota? Because for years they have made cars for people who don't care about driving. They had a higher percentage of poeple in their cars who just don't give a shit, or have any clue how to drive, or have any idea how a car works. That's why they buy a Toyota, because it *just works*, and they don't have to think about it. The deck was loaded.
Then, because Toyota also doesn't give a shit about driving quality, they made some really stupid human-factors engineering mistakes.
And the rest is history.
Did the Toyota transmission really prevent the shifter from going to neutral when under throttle? If so, that's unforgivable. I can't confirm it as I don't have a Toyota to try. My Discovery let me do it, however.
Then, because Toyota also doesn't give a shit about driving quality, they made some really stupid human-factors engineering mistakes.
And the rest is history.
Did the Toyota transmission really prevent the shifter from going to neutral when under throttle? If so, that's unforgivable. I can't confirm it as I don't have a Toyota to try. My Discovery let me do it, however.
Whatever guys ....
Chevy Cobalt steering problems
I think Toyota sales were up 17% last month. When is the next GM bailout? Or are they moving to China?
Chevy Cobalt steering problems
".....My daughter totaled her 06 Cobalt in June 08 at about 65 mph. Steering quit and car "wouldnt go where I steered it". And then on its own veered hard right, off the road, up and embankment and rolled over a couple of three times before coming to rest upside down. Because of the crappy roof design, they had to break the seat and drag her out the back window. Thank God there were no permanent injuries but its a only a miracle that she and my younger daughter (also a passenger) werent killed. I filed a report with the NHTSA within a few days.
Thing is, just yesterday, 11/19/09, I got a phone call and email stating they were gathering data on Cobalt power steering issue.. ...."
Thing is, just yesterday, 11/19/09, I got a phone call and email stating they were gathering data on Cobalt power steering issue.. ...."
I think Toyota sales were up 17% last month. When is the next GM bailout? Or are they moving to China?
Look, I'm not going to argue against the alleged Cobalt PS issue. I don't know much about it, and don't care to. If it is a problem, it will be recalled.
However, I am highly suspicious of what is being reported at that... website. I can't see how a failed pump would suddenly create a steering input. Sounds just as stupid to me as the woman who said she was afraid to turn off her runaway Toyota because she was afraid it would "flip over or something."
However, I am highly suspicious of what is being reported at that... website. I can't see how a failed pump would suddenly create a steering input. Sounds just as stupid to me as the woman who said she was afraid to turn off her runaway Toyota because she was afraid it would "flip over or something."
