with marijuana gaining legal status in many places...

Tugela

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The changes in Seattle have been noticeable, some for the better, some not.

The main things I notice are
1. smelling pot wafting from cars more often, which through unscientific observation leads me to infer that more people are smoking while driving. I don't know how weed impairs driving ability, if at all, but I feel that drivers are distracted enough these days without also being baked. As a frequent bicycle commuter this worries me a bit.
2. there is a local pot store whose business is booming. Uncle Ike's is clean, well-lit, heavily trafficked, doesn't seem to be contributing to any unsavory activity in the immediate vicinity (in fact a new 5-story mixed-use building is opening across the street). Uncle Ike's is more or less what I thought legalization would bring.

On the other side, there are still a number of marijuana collectives operating under the guise of medical pot. These seem to be sketchy and are drawing the scrutiny of the Washington State Liquor and Cannabis Board. I wouldn't be surprised if we see some updates to the law that pushes this business model out and replaces them with stores along the lines of Uncle Ike's.

Overall I think the expectations of society getting out of control were misplaced, Seattle is much the same place as it was before legalization. I haven't seen if revenue collection has met projections, so I don't know if legalization is providing the tax benefits that were promised.
 

DiscoPhoto

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I've got to make money to buy beer, food, fly rods, cars, motorcycles, clothes, and a new shotgun - I have no idea how people spend money on a fucking weed! Hippies!

You'll have more money for pot if you get on a prostaff for fly rods... it's not hard
 

emmodg

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I put the wish to acquire pot on par with the wish to shoot one's self in the foot, or perhaps beat one's head into a wall - maybe even throw one's money out of the car window. I got over pot in college. I never understood it's "pull" or it's ability to make a grown man so "feverish" to get it that he'd "march" for it's legalization and spend his or her hard earned money on it. It always seemed to me to be something most men should grow out of. Oh well.
 

pinkytoe69

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I put the wish to acquire pot on par with the wish to shoot one's self in the foot, or perhaps beat one's head into a wall - maybe even throw one's money out of the car window. I got over pot in college. I never understood it's "pull" or it's ability to make a grown man so "feverish" to get it that he'd "march" for it's legalization and spend his or her hard earned money on it. It always seemed to me to be something most men should grow out of. Oh well.

You can say all the same things about beer.

Although, only one of the two is an actual poison.
 

emmodg

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You can say all the same things about beer.

Although, only one of the two is an actual poison.

That is such a tired argument! You can say the same thing about bubble gum I suppose. I'll grant you alcohol is a drug so how many more drugs do we need to be able to walk down to a 7-11 and buy? What in the hell is so damn important about smoking a plant that we need a "national discussion" and bumper stickers?
 

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That is such a tired argument! You can say the same thing about bubble gum I suppose. I'll grant you alcohol is a drug so how many more drugs do we need to be able to walk down to a 7-11 and buy? What in the hell is so damn important about smoking a plant that we need a "national discussion" and bumper stickers?

Hey! If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.
 

Blue

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This whole "legalize it" movement or whatever you want to call it is all because of the new generation's innate sense of entitlement. They've all been brought up as winners, unique individuals, special, yet somehow also equal and just the same as everyone else. How dare society make weed illegal? You have no right to say that! They have a right to smoke it wherever and whenever they want and you better like it. Just like they have a right to piss standing up in the women's room. Or the right to have safe zones where you can't say scary things like "Donald Trump". I think the whole thing is hilarious...yet also pretty pathetic when you think that the world is burning around us and we have 2 fuck-sticks on the ballot for President and weed is one of the hottest topics that we have to face with grim determination. What a fucking joke. Has anyone you know who smokes ever had a problem replenishing their stash? I think not.
 

pinkytoe69

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That is such a tired argument!

Why is that argument tired?

You can say the same thing about bubble gum I suppose.

No chemical in bubblegum will kill you if you overdo the amount of bubblegum you consume in one sitting.

Same goes for herb. Can't say that for pretty much any other recreational substance.

I'll grant you alcohol is a drug so how many more drugs do we need to be able to walk down to a 7-11 and buy?

Why do people need to be able to get beer and cigs at 7-11?

Basically, either ban everything, or have some common sense about it that isn't dictated by pharmaceutical and alcohol lobbyists.

What in the hell is so damn important about smoking a plant that we need a "national discussion" and bumper stickers?

Stop throwing people in jail and denying employment for it and there won't be a need for all that.
 

ERover82

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I've no interest in weed, but the criminalization of it is an insane waste of money and time. Regulate, tax, and benefit from it instead.
 

pinkytoe69

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This whole "legalize it" movement or whatever you want to call it is all because of the new generation's innate sense of entitlement.

What a fucking joke. Has anyone you know who smokes ever had a problem replenishing their stash? I think not.

You think this all gained steam cause of the pussification of the millennial generation??

And again, procurement is not the issue.

Stop jailing and denying employment for it when the use of another, more toxic, option is virtually celebrated by society.
 

Blue

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You think this all gained steam cause of the pussification of the millennial generation??

And again, procurement is not the issue.

Stop jailing and denying employment for it when the use of another, more toxic, option is virtually celebrated by society.

Yes

And I've never really known anyone who gave a shit about going to jail for weed or being denied employment. It's always seemed to me that if you are in danger of going to jail then you must be a serious scumbag or you must be moving some serious tonnage. And of course I've known people who have had to sweat an employment drug test but it was always more of a humorous inconvenience than some vast betrayal of basic human rights. Sounds like you may have some personal experience with this...
 

emmodg

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Hey! If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.

How so?

We should just legalize everything. Pot, cocaine, meth, crack, bath salts, acid, heroine, glue-huffing, etc... Fuck it! We'll tax it and make all kinds of money off the freaks and addicts! What a cool world that will be! We can all get high and smoke crack in malls and restaurants, trains, airplanes, schools, stores, public parks! Man I can't wait! I love seeing a bunch of drunk ass, high as shit meth heads! ALL of the crime will be gone! There won't be any incentive! No more drug dealers! Everyone will be so happy and carefree! There's gonna be cool stores selling meth pipes and monogrammed mirrors! I can FINALLY walk down the street, buy a 6 and roll by my neighborhood pot shop where only the cleanest, most educated people will be hanging out. It will be a like the Starbucks in Greenwich! Fuck, I know! We can let all of our service members smoke and shoot up! Fuck yeah! I don't know why that wouldn't be a good idea to finally allow our service men and women spend the weekend getting high and fucked up! This is going to be so cool! Our government is going to be wealthy beyond belief! And because state and federal governments know how to spend tax money wisely I can't imagine ANY problems! You all have talked me into it! You've changed my mind! :patriot:
 

ERover82

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Pretending weed and meth are similar and thus should be treated the same is severely flawed. Weed at it's best has medical benefits and at its worst gives you the munchies and a mild high. Meth destroys your body, mind, and life. They're as different as aspirin and morphine. You wouldn't regulate them the same would you?

Legalization isn't about getting your "entitled" weed, that you pay for.. ?
It's about removing a huge waste of tax dollars, waste of law enforcement time, and waste of lives in jail for a substance less intoxicating than alcohol.
 

Blue

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I agree with you on the waste of tax dollars, law enforcement, etc. I just don't really care. And never said people feel entitled to free weed, they just feel entitled to be able to act any way they want (e.g. smoke up)
 

SCSL

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I don't smoke weed. But in my interactions with the general public, I have concluded that most people probably should smoke weed.

Anyhow, as long as weed is illegal at the federal level, banking won't / can't be involved. And that certainly poses some problems for growers and distributors. But there's still plenty of money to be made if one is clever in hand in their financial affairs.
 

pinkytoe69

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Yes

And I've never really known anyone who gave a shit about going to jail for weed or being denied employment. It's always seemed to me that if you are in danger of going to jail then you must be a serious scumbag or you must be moving some serious tonnage. And of course I've known people who have had to sweat an employment drug test but it was always more of a humorous inconvenience than some vast betrayal of basic human rights. Sounds like you may have some personal experience with this...

Any non-ignorant person knows that, at worst, herb is a pretty equal drug to alcohol.

In a country where getting shitfaced on alcohol is practically an accepted a national past time on certain days, why should I have to worry about any of the things you bring up?

Also, a person who imbibes in the sauce and says that those who partake in the MJ lack maturity need to reassess things.

Its literally like saying "Im cooler cause I like the Jets and you like the Giants."