2020 Defender


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Apr 20, 2004
Back in the USA; Rockwood, PA
After doing some Google searches, this came up on the Land Cruiser:

Toyota designs every component with a 25-year life expectancy.

Other information on vehicle life cycle testing showed that 10 years and 150,000 miles was the norm.


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Sep 30, 2005
Genesee, CO USA
I believe that dumbfuckery has been rising over the last decade, and while it may not be increasing exponentially, it is definitely accelerating.

I live just off a 6-ish percent grade going up the first hill out of Denver.
You simply would not believe the number of vehicles, especially as the weekend approaches, pulled on the side of the road, hood up, with their 297,000 pound trailer attached.
Did it not occur to them to, oh I don't know, look under the hood before they piled Martha and all their spawn into the Denali for a weekend of living in a trailer?

"You do not have to service the automatic transmission; the fluid is lifetime fill."
"How long is lifetime?"
"Until it fails."
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Apr 27, 2005
To me it's just a slimmed down LR3. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing. But it's hard to see this being a big seller stateside. Removable roof & door panels with a roll cage... something like that might stand it out from the crowd.