2020 Defender

[Ballah06]

Well, I didnt test drive a TRD Pro, I tried a 2020 SR5 and a TRD off road premium, and a 2013 trail. If you blindfolded me and dropped me into one at 60-80 mph, I'd tell you it was a Camry. It rides nice. It steers easy around town. Theres more room in the backseat (2nd row) than the driver and passenger seats. The motor has adequate power, but the transmission doesnt know what the fuck to do with it. I liked the interior of the older truck better, the new ones have the fit and finish and material quality of what I'd expect of a $40k 2015 model, not a 2021. You get better materials in a new Elantra.

Also, the visibility out sucks and the headroom pretty much isn't there with a sunroof (I'm 6'). The driving position is typical Toyota, which you either like or don't.

Right on. Appreciate the detailed feedback. Seems like I would probably notice similar issues and react in the same way (6' as well). Never had a Toyota, so just looking around for a multi-functional DD so to speak that is not a car and considering other options vs. a pick up due to irregular bed use and tigther spaces around this area. I guess I need to get out and take a closer look at this to either take a big steaming dump on it or put it in a maybe not so stinky pile.

 

[MM3846]

Right on. Appreciate the detailed feedback. Seems like I would probably notice similar issues and react in the same way (6' as well). Never had a Toyota, so just looking around for a multi-functional DD so to speak that is not a car and considering other options vs. a pick up due to irregular bed use and tigther spaces around this area. I guess I need to get out and take a closer look at this to either take a big steaming dump on it or put it in a maybe not so stinky pile.

I capped my budget at $35k. I test drove those 3 5th gens, a GX460, and GX470. 470s are $$ and up there in miles and rust by me, ones without rust and low miles suffer the Toyota tax. 460 drove better, hated the infotainment, didn't love the rest of the interior, also pricey. Two friend's have Gladiators, cab is too small and narrow for me (have a newborn, car seats are HUGE), regular JL is way too small; they drive amazing for Jeeps tho. Friend's wife has a new Tacoma (didn't love it, too expensive, you pretty much need to buy new), F150s are insanely priced. By the time I got into a ZR2 or Ranger FX4 with the right options I'm into $40k again. Decided to look for LR3s, good low miles ones are hard to find. Test drove one and liked it, then drove my buddy's LR4 right after. Ended up with my LR4. If LC100 prices weren't so outrageous I probably would have really leaned that direction. I thought about spec-ing a Defender for myself but was nervous to completely drain my wallet and take out a 7 year note on one.

 

[DiscoHasBeen]

holy balls that thing is HUUUGEE. no wonder why he lost it.

A Kia on BFG ATs can do it.

Point taken. So this is like when Deep Blue beat WTFE at chess. So now the most couch potato mook can wheel as well as anyone because a cpu will make it so. Defender, Bronco, Kia, whatever, driving skill means little to nothing.

 

[Ballah06]

I capped my budget at $35k. I test drove those 3 5th gens, a GX460, and GX470. 470s are $$ and up there in miles and rust by me, ones without rust and low miles suffer the Toyota tax. 460 drove better, hated the infotainment, didn't love the rest of the interior, also pricey. Two friend's have Gladiators, cab is too small and narrow for me (have a newborn, car seats are HUGE), regular JL is way too small; they drive amazing for Jeeps tho. Friend's wife has a new Tacoma (didn't love it, too expensive, you pretty much need to buy new), F150s are insanely priced. By the time I got into a ZR2 or Ranger FX4 with the right options I'm into $40k again. Decided to look for LR3s, good low miles ones are hard to find. Test drove one and liked it, then drove my buddy's LR4 right after. Ended up with my LR4. If LC100 prices weren't so outrageous I probably would have really leaned that direction. I thought about spec-ing a Defender for myself but was nervous to completely drain my wallet and take out a 7 year note on one.

Tracking. Thanks again for the info. Kind of in a similar boat here. I was considering another Ram pretty much, but decided to look around at other options, which again, seem rather bland. Obviously there is a relative max price point, utility of the particular vehicle, application within the current environment, etc. We shall see. Going to mull this over the next couple of months. If parking garages and general area weren't kinda tight, I'd just pull the trigger on another RAM.

 

[MM3846]

Point taken. So this is like when Deep Blue beat WTFE at chess. So now the most couch potato mook can wheel as well as anyone because a cpu will make it so. Defender, Bronco, Kia, whatever, driving skill means little to nothing.

Its like cheat code wheeling. These regular cars cant keep it up though, a few minutes of hard stuff and the auto trans fluid and brakes will trigger some bleep bloop warnings to prevent overheat damange and you're dead in the water with no traction control devices. Even the bigger and more "offroad" trucks have that problem, Expedition, all the CUV Jeeps, etc.

So its a cool party trick, but if you're really stuck in some shit, or actually trying to spend a day on the trail it's just BS. Moab is cool for videos because you're wheeling on sandpaper, and we all have seen that crown vic video.

 

[Blueboy]

The Discovery, RR, MDX, MKX, blah, bah, blah. When I was young we called those station wagons.

In my neck of the woods when young, this was a station wagon:

 

[DiscoHasBeen]

In my neck of the woods when young, this was a station wagon:

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Yep, me too. And now this is what I call a station wagon.

Because it sure the fuck isn't a SUV.

SUV stands for Sports Utility Vehicle, a car similar to a minivan or a station wagon, but with a much tougher look and a design suited for off-road driving

 

[Howski]

SUV stands for Sports Utility Vehicle, a car similar to a minivan or a station wagon, but with a much tougher look and a design suited for off-road driving

For this reason I’ve always respected BMW for referring to the X series as ‘Sport Activity Vehicles’

 

[Blueboy]

Yep, me too. And now this is what I call a station wagon.
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Because it sure the fuck isn't a SUV.

SUV stands for Sports Utility Vehicle, a car similar to a minivan or a station wagon, but with a much tougher look and a design suited for off-road driving

Personally this is my current idea of a station wagon:

 

[bri]

Very similar for sure, yet, Bronco seems to be more off-road oriented.

Same b.s. different body.

 

[pinkytoe69]

Personally this is my current idea of a station wagon:
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Most SUVs these days are basically one of those with 2" lifts on both the ceiling and the suspension.

 

[Blueboy]

Most SUVs these days are basically one of those with 2" lifts on both the ceiling and the suspension.

Yep, which is why the RS Avant with a screaming engine is my fav.

 

[Tugela]

This morning I went to a Land Rover dealership for the first time since 2010. I'm on a road trip, I needed a new AC compressor installed in my LR3, and I had them change the oil while they were at it. I finally got to see a new Defender up close in person. I like it. It's really nicely done. It's smaller in person than I expected, which was a surprise given the wheelbase. The interior looks great. It appears to be very well thought out. And I'm probably never going to buy one.

 

[Blueboy]

This morning I went to a Land Rover dealership for the first time since 2010. I'm on a road trip, I needed a new AC compressor installed in my LR3, and I had them change the oil while they were at it. I finally got to see a new Defender up close in person. I like it. It's really nicely done. It's smaller in person than I expected, which was a surprise given the wheelbase. The interior looks great. It appears to be very well thought out. And I'm probably never going to buy one.

So how did Dealership Experience go?

Whenever I see one it looks smaller than I anticipated as well.

And like you am probably never going to buy one yet never say never.

 

[DiscoHasBeen]

Keep in mind their juxtaposition is based on the fact the owners of either one will not take them off-road. Which is telling Defender wise. What's the old saying? Either do or do not.

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These mooks give a one month update. Mention how big the rigs is more than once.

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Didn't some Jack dude on this site buy one? He's been awfully quiet about it.

 

[bri]

Isn't there a 2021 thread yet. What a lame POS the defelement is.

 

[JackW]

Keep in mind their juxtaposition is based on the fact the owners of either one will not take them off-road. Which is telling Defender wise. What's the old saying? Either do or do not.

Didn't some Jack dude on this site buy one? He's been awfully quiet about it.

I've had my 110 P300 for about three months now and am very pleased with it. I just got the rock sliders from Lucky8 but haven't had the opportunity to install them yet and I told myself - "no off-roading with the new truck until it has rock sliders" - a lesson I learned the hard way with my second Range Rover at Tellico. That truck bore the entirely preventable scars that a large rock inflicted on the drivers side doors until I sold it.

The new 110 is our primary daily driver - a task it has been preforming extremely well with absolutely no issues. I did take it up for a drive in the north Georgia mountains to run about 40 miles of forest service roads and it has much better suspension than my LR3 and Discovery 5 did. The suspension engineers did a great job calibrating everything - its extremely competent at speed on a dirt road, well controlled and comfortable. The driving position is good, space utilization is pretty good and the rear door is one of my favorite features. (hatches belong on minivans). The fuel mileage is a little disappointing at around 14-15 around town. I figure the lower gearing in the differentials for the four cylinder cars is a factor in that. I would have preferred a diesel but like the power and relative simplicity of the P300 as an alternative. Now that I've had my second covid vaccination maybe I'll get out and do some more exploring once it warms up and stops raining so much.

 

[bri]

Is that thing at "access" height or something?

Damn, If I only had one...I could sell it.

 

[Blueboy]

I've had my 110 P300 for about three months now and am very pleased with it. I just got the rock sliders from Lucky8 but haven't had the opportunity to install them yet and I told myself - "no off-roading with the new truck until it has rock sliders" - a lesson I learned the hard way with my second Range Rover at Tellico. That truck bore the entirely preventable scars that a large rock inflicted on the drivers side doors until I sold it.

The new 110 is our primary daily driver - a task it has been preforming extremely well with absolutely no issues. I did take it up for a drive in the north Georgia mountains to run about 40 miles of forest service roads and it has much better suspension than my LR3 and Discovery 5 did. The suspension engineers did a great job calibrating everything - its extremely competent at speed on a dirt road, well controlled and comfortable. The driving position is good, space utilization is pretty good and the rear door is one of my favorite features. (hatches belong on minivans). The fuel mileage is a little disappointing at around 14-15 around town. I figure the lower gearing in the differentials for the four cylinder cars is a factor in that. I would have preferred a diesel but like the power and relative simplicity of the P300 as an alternative. Now that I've had my second covid vaccination maybe I'll get out and do some more exploring once it warms up and stops raining so much.

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Thanks for the write-up. And sounds like the Rover is doing well for you which is also great to hear!

 

[Ballah06]

Looks very niiice! I am still looking around on my end. Kind of crappy with street, apartment parking lot parking getting anything new (ish) as the folks around here can barely drive their damn tiny ass cars it seems. May go and drive a 4Runner this weekend just for the hell of it and to see how it feels, but am already kind of not feeling it. I know we are in a total different ballpark here with a Ram, but the '21 Rebel I seen in person is super nice. Those guys were smoking some goooood shit slapping a $61k price tag on it though. I just laughed when I saw that.