Fan Clutch

JohnB

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TxDII said:
I finished the thermostat modification this weekend and so far everything seems to be working well. Based on my ScanGauge, I have temp readings of around 188 to 190 at idle and 193 at highway speed. Where I really see a difference is when coming to a stop from highway speed. Before the change, my temp would climb to about 206 at a stoplight, then drop once I was moving again. Now the reading increases only to about 195 while stopped. It was about 93 degrees outside today when I checked these temps.

I used a similar setup to the others in this thread:
-Meziere Thermo Housing (1.25?) w/180 degree thermostat
-GlowShift Water Sender Attachment
-BMW lower hose

I drilled a 1/8? hole in the thermostat, and on the GlowShift adapter, I added a petcock drain in the temp sensor fitting to bleed the air out.

Thanks again to DiscoArt, JohnB & Jeffro for posting their pics and findings.

Here is another interesting link I found to modify the thermostat on an MGF (same concept ? relocate the thermostat from bottom of radiator to top).
http://www.mgfmavhh.ukf.net/



Very nice. Looks like the 1.25 is the best fit. Good job
 

jycsalas

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Well im sending my thermostat housing back for the smaller 1.25 size. that does look to be the best fit.

I also ordered the same glow shift water temp adapter and a 1/8th npt petcock. But glowshift sent me a GREEN adapter.... =(

I also have the lower BMW hose.... but I have a question

where exactly should i cut it the end caps off?

thanks
 

jycsalas

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TxDII,

what hoses did you use between the thermo housing and the bleeder AND between the bleeder and the upper manifold?

josh

 

TxDII

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jycsalas said:
TxDII,

what hoses did you use between the thermo housing and the bleeder AND between the bleeder and the upper manifold?

josh


I had a spare D2 upper hose assembly, so I used the original hose from the upper manifold and the plastic T (didn't need to cut it). Then I used the original hose that went from the plastic T to the thermostat bypass for the new connection between the bleeder and the inline thermo housing. I just cut some off of the end of the hose.

Also, regarding the BMW hose, I just cut the ends off as close to the clamps that I could. I had to cut a little more off to connect to the radiator bottom, but I didn't want to cut it too short at first.


Jim
 
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btp98w

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discoreiver said:
I redid my thermo mod, using the correct size meziere housing, and I also installed an in-line sensor and temp. gauge from glo-shift. Took it for a test drive, with my AC running. My idiot gauge stayed in the middle, however, according to my new glo-shift gauge, my coolant temp didn't get above 165 degrees. Don't know which to trust, so I'm going back to my LR mechanic next Monday, and get him to put a scan gauge on it. Recently, whenever I used the AC for 45 minutes or more, my idiot gauge temp. would start climbing, and go back to normal when I turned off the AC.


I'm curious as to the condition/age of your radiator and viscous clutch. You may have a radiator that is partially blocked and/or the viscous clutch isn't working up to par and may need replacing.
 

flyfisher11

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About to do this. Are there any issues with the heater hose or the resovoir return inlet line?

edit: I think I see now. I was originally under the impression that the lower came off the pump directly but it appears you just go from that three way junction to the lower end of radiator. Am I seeing this correctly now?
 
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jeffro0502

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discoreiver said:
Has anyone, who has done this mod, had any issues with heat soak after the engine is turned off?

No problems noted...my temps rise some after shut down just like they did before is normal.

My temps here have been around a 100 on the pavement in slow traffic a lot and have been working well.
 
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bguetter

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So just so i have the right parts in mind........32mm (1 1/4) is what i need for both the meziere thermo housing and the water sender adaptor from glowshift?

And what year chevy thermostats? 2 1/8 diameter seems common
 
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JohnB

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Same here. On another mod I did recently was rewire my aux-fan to operate when the AC is on. Ths is how most cars operate. The Rover gods decided the aux-fan should only operate when the outside temp is above 85 degrees and under 50 MPH.

I use the AC clutch power to operate a fused relay that turns the fan on. I just tapped into the hot lead going to the fan so as not to disable the Rover set-up that way on the extreme chance that my engine hits 209 degress(hopefully never will again) the aux-fan would turn on regardless if I'm running the AC.

I got this idea from one of flyfisher11 posts on another thread but he runs a set-up that he can dial in the operating temp settings via a switch. Cool idea but since my wife drives this D2 most the time dials and knobs would be lost in the mess of coffee cups and gas receipts.
 

JohnB

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bguetter said:
So just so i have the right parts in mind........32mm (1 1/4) is what i need for both the meziere thermo housing and the water sender adaptor from glowshift?

I used 11/2 inch 34mm but I believe most are happier with the 32mm. I did have to stretch those hoses a bit.
 

discoreiver

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JohnB said:
Same here. On another mod I did recently was rewire my aux-fan to operate when the AC is on. Ths is how most cars operate. The Rover gods decided the aux-fan should only operate when the outside temp is above 85 degrees and under 50 MPH.

I use the AC clutch power to operate a fused relay that turns the fan on. I just tapped into the hot lead going to the fan so as not to disable the Rover set-up that way on the extreme chance that my engine hits 209 degress(hopefully never will again) the aux-fan would turn on regardless if I'm running the AC.

I got this idea from one of flyfisher11 posts on another thread but he runs a set-up that he can dial in the operating temp settings via a switch. Cool idea but since my wife drives this D2 most the time dials and knobs would be lost in the mess of coffee cups and gas receipts.


How did you go about tapping into the AC clutch?

BTW, for bguetter, I'm running a 180 degree chevy thermostat with an 1/8" hole drilled thru the outer rim of it.
 
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JohnB

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discoreiver said:
How did you go about tapping into the AC clutch?

I mean the plug that powers the fan clutch. I spliced into the positive wire to trigger a relay that powers up the aux-fan. The relay is fused and gets its power directly from the battery. I'm sure I could have also spliced this wire somewhere else but I didn't feel like digging into wire schematics to find the correct wire on the fuse box.
 

mbrummal

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JohnB said:
I mean the plug that powers the fan clutch. I spliced into the positive wire to trigger a relay that powers up the aux-fan. The relay is fused and gets its power directly from the battery. I'm sure I could have also spliced this wire somewhere else but I didn't feel like digging into wire schematics to find the correct wire on the fuse box.
It is one of the wires in the plug on the top of the fuse box. (Connector C0570-2, a green wire with a white stripe.) It completes the path to ground, though. It doesn't connect to a + voltage source.
 

KyleT

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is anyone getting any ECM faults for not running in proper temp range?

Me and a master LR tech friend were discussing something similar to this, most liners drop on the backside of the motor, there is no coolant passage for new coolant to enter or exit like there is on the front, so we were thinking about drilling and tapping bungs into the intake manifold where the rear head coolant passages are blocked, merging them and bringing it forward and tie-ing back into the coolant pipe that comes forward out from the lower intake.

we tried to see if the lower intake would ride backwards, but the a/c compressor and alternator are in the way.

I really think that by getting it to run cooler and re-flashing the ECM, it would be a more efficient motor and maybe make more power. As I recall, they run rich to keep it from running too hot, but they run hot because they run rich and must meet the emissions guidelines. IMO it would run cleaner using less fuel running cooler. I dunno....


Will this work on a P38? those run really hot.....
 

JohnB

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mbrummal said:
It is one of the wires in the plug on the top of the fuse box. (Connector C0570-2, a green wire with a white stripe.) It completes the path to ground, though. It doesn't connect to a + voltage source.

That would also work just need a 5 pin relay to trigger with a negative. Made one of those a few years back for a car alarm that triggered negative to activate my headlights. Thanks for the info.
 

JohnB

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jeffro0502 said:
No faults...running perfect. Have around 4k on it since mod. I don't see why this wouldn't work on a p-38.

I wondered about this myself. Not that my 99 would ever have this fault but maybe a D2 with SAI might. Since the radiator has a temp sensor that is supposed to throw a fault if the temp from the radiator and engine don't match. I'm betting the temp discrepancy is probably 20-40 degree sweep to get a fault.