pinkytoe69 said:
Call a spade a spade. If you're fearful of being shot in the face you're scared. Learn gun safety/handling, become proficient and join the ranks of people who know they're safer with a gun than without.
Gun Control: A Realistic Look
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Call a spade a spade. If you're fearful of being shot in the face you're scared. Learn gun safety/handling, become proficient and join the ranks of people who know they're safer with a gun than without.
Accidents happen. People have bad days. People lose their sanity.
If there are no guns around me, I cannot be shot regardless of the above.
If there are no guns around me, I cannot be shot regardless of the above.
Ill add that if I lived on some acreage in buttfuck Idaho, I would most definitely get a firearm or two.
Life off the beaten path certainly feels safer when one has good deterrents.
Life off the beaten path certainly feels safer when one has good deterrents.
pinkytoe69 said:
Do you fear other technologies too? If you never ride in a car you will never crash. Never go inside a building and it will never collapse on you. How many other things can you avoid to feel safe?
pinkytoe69 said:
Read up on the statistics and judge the calculated risk for yourself. People drive the interstate everyday to work and many are stunned to hear flying is dramatically safer. Numbers don't lie.
The odds of dying per mile are
by car, 1 in 100,000
by plane,1.6 in 100,000,000,000
Your analogies dont stack up cause you are comparing unintended consequences with intended ones.
Cars are not meant to crash.
Buildings are not meant to collapse.
Guns are meant to shoot things.
Cars are not meant to crash.
Buildings are not meant to collapse.
Guns are meant to shoot things.
r.e. cars
I dont fear them, but I am respectful of their dangers.
Next time you are on a 2 lane highway and a car is coming in the opposite direction, look straight ahead but try to keep vision of the other car in your periphery as it passes.
When you are both going 60 its like a laser beam shoots by. Imagining that 4000lb laser hitting the front of your vehicle is a little disconcerting.
I dont fear them, but I am respectful of their dangers.
Next time you are on a 2 lane highway and a car is coming in the opposite direction, look straight ahead but try to keep vision of the other car in your periphery as it passes.
When you are both going 60 its like a laser beam shoots by. Imagining that 4000lb laser hitting the front of your vehicle is a little disconcerting.
pinkytoe69 said:
You fear them. I know because I used to think the same exact way before I got serous and took the classes to learn. It's very common for humans to fear what they don't understand. I will not and can not change your mind, you'll have to figure it out for yourself.
ptschram
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Ballah06 said:
I share your rant but must add one more topic.
Registration.
Just how does one register a firearm? I have NO registered firearms, mainly because I will not submit to the bullshit when one owns an NFA weapon.
I hear quite often about how folks I come into contact with have registered and non-registered firearms-in Indiana. A state with NO means to register firearms other than NFA/GCA arms. I did have someone tell me that their CO of their Army post requried all firearms to be registered. This gentleman sent a letter to the CLEO. IIRC, Federal law required that CLEO to destroy that document as it was counter to the NICS law-just how it fits in with public records laws, I do not know.
Then there are those who think that it is legal to walk up to a counter in a Wal-Mart, pull out your debit card and walk out with an evil assault rifle.
Then there are those who don't understand why they can't call the cops to find out if a gun is stolen, or why they can't just call up the NICS and check on their neighbor so they can "Legally" sell them a gun.
Those who are ignorant of guns and gun laws find great comfort in that ignorance and our attempts to correct that ignorance will end up with us being labeled as nuts.
ptschram said:
pinkytoe69 said:
You can buy a weapon from a private individual (even at a gunshow) without a background check in most states. Usually a private individual doesn't take credit/debit, but with cash/trade you certainly can.
I don't mind closing the gunshow 'loophole', but it'd be impossible to force private sales to follow those rules without some sort of gun tracking database. Even gunshows, you could make the deal off-premise to get around the background check.
and PT: with a CCW card in AZ you don't need the background check or waiting period. You still fill out paperwork, but can walk with the gun once it's submitted.
ptschram
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az_max said:
It used to be that way in Indiana but is no longer.
What I am addressing are the anti-gun folks who are ignorant of the reality that's involved.
pinkytoe69 said:
Knifes and forks are made to stab things. Gasoline is made to blow up. Do you fear them?
pinkytoe69 said:
As someone who carries a pistol for work and off duty almost every day for over a decade, I have never popped a round off accidentally or purposely, except at the range. In that same period of time, I can't say that I've never backed into another vehicle accidentally. Statistically, I'm also more likely to get killed at work by an automobile related death, than by gunfire. I'm not afraid of guns, but as someone who spends a good amount of time standing in the middle of a road or on the side of a highway, I'm deathly afraid of cars. I've never had to dive out of the way of a bullet. I've had to dive out of the way to avoid being hit by a car on multiple occasions.
toadermcgee said:
If I had a bucket of gasoline in my room, or was in a pack of people all carrying buckets of gasoline, I would be extremely wary of that fact.
pinkytoe69 said:
If you're around guns and are concerned about getting shot in the forehead you fear guns. Pretty simple really.
If you're in a coffee shop and 6 cops walk in, do you fear their guns? I bet not, that's because you know who's behind the trigger.
Your fear (or discomfort as you call it) should be directed at the owner, not the gun itself.
So, do you have discomfort with guns, or the people that carry them?
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az_max said:
In NC, with the concealed carry permit, you don't need background checks for each purchase. That's because you've already gone through a more extensive background check, been fingerprinted, and so on.
I don't like talking about "loopholes" in gun shows. Many gun shows are attended by manufacturers, businesses, and collectors of odd firearms. The manufacturers and businesses have to follow all the rules if they mean to sell anything.
Collectors generally sell things nobody gives a shit about, and the rest of the show is filled with ammunition and cheap crap.
You don't just run into a gun show as a private party with a bag full of guns to pass out to any stranger that walks by. A gun show is perhaps the worst place to sell foolishly.
Whether or not your state regulates private transfers, anyone registered to sell at a gun show has to be careful. Those shows are watched from every angle, and patrolled by law enforcement, both uniformed and in civvies.
People take what they see in movies too seriously. Shows aren't full of hidden boxes and mercenaries.
They are full of businesses, hunting nerds, Steve Young, and cops. Honestly, they are rather boring.
Cheers,
Kennith