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Ballah06

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So was your initial point Revolvers are not as popular anymore? I don't want to put words into your mouth but just not sure where you were going with that.

I think they are popular among a certain group. I was just saying that majority of magazine fed handguns sold are semi auto. That was really it. Same with majority of rifles, i.e. ARs. I am just tired of some people using the term semi-auto like it is something super scary. Unless it is specified as a fully automatic weapon, I tend to assume people are taliking about a semi.
 

brian4d

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I think they are popular among a certain group. I was just saying that majority of magazine fed handguns sold are semi auto. That was really it. Same with majority of rifles, i.e. ARs. I am just tired of some people using the term semi-auto like it is something super scary. Unless it is specified as a fully automatic weapon, I tend to assume people are taliking about a semi.

I see what you're saying, I just call them what they are. If people are scared of the term maybe they should get to know guns a bit better.
 

brian4d

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Roughly, if it has a slide, it is a semi-auto. If it has a cylinder, it is a revolver.

This is what I thought but I didn't know how else to say a double action revolver (can) fire like a semi-auto pistol. Anyway, I simply wanted to phrase my questions so that Eric knew I was talking about handguns with a clip and slide.
 

SGaynor

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Getting a bit into the weeds, but a revolver is technically self-loading vs. semi-auto since it does not use the energy of the previous round to cycle the next one into the chamber. Not a fan of revolvers due to their low round capacity, but to each is their own. Suppose immediate action is pretty easy; just keep pulling the trigger till it fires.

I've been educating my FB friends on this. Some say we should ban semi-auto rifles, ie, AR. Then they say other guns are OK, just not these death machines because the gun fires every time you pull the trigger. Then I point out that just about every modern gun fires every time you pull the trigger.

Yes, pistols (those without a cylinder) have more rounds, but S&W and Ruger (at least) make 8 round .357 revolvers, which is pretty much what a 1911 is capable of having. But, yeah, the glocks etc can carry a lot more rounds.
 

Ballah06

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I've been educating my FB friends on this. Some say we should ban semi-auto rifles, ie, AR. Then they say other guns are OK, just not these death machines because the gun fires every time you pull the trigger. Then I point out that just about every modern gun fires every time you pull the trigger.

Yes, pistols (those without a cylinder) have more rounds, but S&W and Ruger (at least) make 8 round .357 revolvers, which is pretty much what a 1911 is capable of having. But, yeah, the glocks etc can carry a lot more rounds.


Indeed. Just never been a huge fan of revolvers, maybe because all of my work/training has been around mag fed handguns. Just prefer those myself, esp given higher mag capacity and me being more used to operating them (immediate/remedial actions). Some people who know nothing about firearms tend to speak out wuite a bit; it is truly funny.
 

brian4d

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I've been educating my FB friends on this. Some say we should ban semi-auto rifles, ie, AR. Then they say other guns are OK, just not these death machines because the gun fires every time you pull the trigger. Then I point out that just about every modern gun fires every time you pull the trigger.

Yes, pistols (those without a cylinder) have more rounds, but S&W and Ruger (at least) make 8 round .357 revolvers, which is pretty much what a 1911 is capable of having. But, yeah, the glocks etc can carry a lot more rounds.

I was at a gunshow back in the early 90's in Charlotte, NC. Guy was selling a clip for a glock 17 that held a shitload of rounds. Not sure if this type of stuff is still going on.
 

brian4d

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Indeed. Just never been a huge fan of revolvers, maybe because all of my work/training has been around mag fed handguns. Just prefer those myself, esp given higher mag capacity and me being more used to operating them (immediate/remedial actions). Some people who know nothing about firearms tend to speak out wuite a bit; it is truly funny.

I'm the same, not a big fan. However, it seems to be the weapon of choice for many purses.
 

Ballah06

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I was at a gunshow back in the early 90's in Charlotte, NC. Guy was selling a clip for a glock 17 that held a shitload of rounds. Not sure if this type of stuff is still going on.


You can still get higher capacity magazines as far as I know, but if I am not mistaken, it depends in what state one lives.
 

SGaynor

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I'm pretty sure you can get 32 rnd mags...:eek:

That's how you get these goofy looking things:
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IIRC, the '94 assault gun ban banned large pistol mags (just like >20rnd AR mags).
 

Ballah06

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I'm the same, not a big fan. However, it seems to be the weapon of choice for many purses.

Reason it is 'popular' or maybe even recommended to females is because it takes 'less effort' to operate. Some do not have the strength to rack the slide so the can chamber a round, get flustered performing immediate and remedial actions, etc. sight alignment and sight picture obviously is the same deal.
 

SGaynor

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I was at a gunshow back in the early 90's in Charlotte, NC. Guy was selling a clip for a glock 17 that held a shitload of rounds. Not sure if this type of stuff is still going on.

For the love of all that is holy - don't use the term "clip."

That's like nails on a chalk board!

Magazine!
 

Ballah06

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I'm pretty sure you can get 32 rnd mags...:eek:

That's how you get these goofy looking things:
ExtendedMagazine.jpg


IIRC, the '94 assault gun ban banned large pistol mags (just like >20rnd AR mags).


Try carrying that one concealed. Haha. Reloading another 15 rd mag takes no time w proper practice. You can buy 30 rd AR mags all day long; at least in VA and GA. A local gun store has a ton of standard and MagPul 30rd mags for about $15-20.
 

SGaynor

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Reason it is 'popular' or maybe even recommended to females is because it takes 'less effort' to operate. Some do not have the strength to rack the slide so the can chamber a round, get flustered performing immediate and remedial actions, etc. sight alignment and sight picture obviously is the same deal.

It's also pretty much guaranteed to go bang - no failure to feed, jams, etc.; if you have a dud round, pull the trigger again. It's why a lot of police carry a revolver as a backup.
 

SGaynor

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Try carrying that one concealed. Haha. Reloading another 15 rd mag takes no time w proper practice. You can buy 30 rd AR mags all day long; at least in VA and GA.

Is that a Glock in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?

See Keanu reload in John Wick 2? Damn fast. You're right - it's not a difficult skill to master.

Yeah, the 20rnd AR limit went away when the AW ban expired in the early 2000s. The 30 rnders used to go for stupid money. Might have to stock up and invest in some more MagPulls.
 

brian4d

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Try carrying that one concealed. Haha. Reloading another 15 rd mag takes no time w proper practice. You can buy 30 rd AR mags all day long; at least in VA and GA. A local gun store has a ton of standard and MagPul 30rd mags for about $15-20.

I wouldn't trust the damn thing for a minute. Some shitty ass spring from China I'd bet.
 

wjsj69

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Bottom line, as has been said; you can't un-ring a bell. You can't get rid of all the guns without creating a civil war, and leaving only criminals with guns and the rest of us helpless/defenseless. We were founded by using deadly force against tyranny. We will always defend ourselves against it, and while we're at it, against the unlawful when our gov't./police aren't available or are inept. Checks and balance. Live by the sword, die by the sword. An eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth. If you don't accept it, you are free to leave. Go to Canada, Great Britain, Australia, or California. They will all take you in with open arms. Except CA; the illegals might not let you in once they have full control. They may even deport you.

Augment gun crime penalties, enforce them, disallow sales to the unstable/convicted, enforce the fuck out of that, fuck everything else. All this bullshit could have been avoided if the government- which is supposed to represent us all- would have done its job and protected us (without overreach) from unstable people that are capable of harming us with guns or butter-knives; doesn't matter what tool they choose. If not guns, then chemicals, bombs, name-calling, whatever. One kid or a hundred; everyone matters.

Some freaks are going to fall through the cracks. It happens. There's no "future/thought-police". Right now it happens too much. The flip side is when someone gets undeservedly black-listed. That's gonna happen too. It happens now, but it's pretty easy for a pissed-off black-lister to legally get a gun and use it unlawfully. He'll just use something else if it's harder to get a gun.

BTW, they're all guns, they all do the same thing unless it's fully automatic. We sb able to own those too. Why not? The government does. Police, ATF, FBI.. Balance of power. The military sb the only ones w full auto's. Military can't be used against civilians (even tho they are). But guess why they need them. Bc of all of the criminals that have them! Funny, that! So the gov't, military, and criminals are the only ones with full-autos. Hmmm. Just like to type that point out and let it float around a bit..
Just bc an AR (note-Armalite Rifle, not Assault rifle, lefty) looks intimidating, doesn't make it any different than any other gun. Replace the plastic and aluminum w wood or some other out-dated material (progress), and it's the SAME F-ING THING! What are you gonna do? Uh, this looks futuristic and too scary; put it on the list. That looks antique but it works the same way; it's OK. WTF? And, most full/semi autos can be fitted with extended magazines too, legally or not; it's easy. So, another non-issue.

The anti-Americans/criminals who want to get rid of AR's, are not as dumb as they sound. They just want to chip away at each category, so eventually they get them all. The NEXT step, since they already got full-auto's, is semi-auto's. That's just about everything made today, since it's the 21st century. Only thing left would be single-shot.

It's easier to impose your will when there's no more threat of defense/retaliation. It's all about control. Imagine the state of this country if the citizens couldn't defend themselves! Think there's some corruption now? (You're a cute little naive creature if don't.) It would be so out of control, the Gestapo would blush.

Let's keep all this in perspective; it's not about guns, it's about ultimately becoming a socialist state. That's what control leads to, whether any "anti" admits or even realizes it. That's our future as a country if guns go away (for us citizens). THAT is why we need to stand up for our rights to the last. It's just the first major right to be taken away. After that, the floodgates open. :patriot: