Kerry is on yoru side

[antichrist]

With anything I say, keep in mind my earlier post about how I feel thinking of Bush or Kerry either one.

As for Bush being dumb or, as Kerry is accused of being, pandering.
Bush answered that question quite clearly year before last when he stated "We will end terrorism in the world". Yeah, right, and pigs will fly.

If you feel safer now, do a bit of research on how Bush has pretty much castrated the Dept of Homeland Security. But in any case, I for one feel alot safer when there are just a few people pissed at me (for whatever reason) than I am having millions pissed at me.

Oh, on another pandering note.. there was a pro democracy group (I can't remember their name) operating in Nothern China for a long time, a thorn in China's ass. The US for years have been after China to recognize them and open dialog, as opposed to trying to wipe them out. When China announced/hinted that they were going to abstain from the vote in the UN about the US invading Iraq, the current administration had the pro democracy group reclassified as a terrorist organization.

Someone made a comment about the possiblity of an NRA member voting for Kerry, since the NRA is so anti Kerry. I think that's hilarious. I hear all the time about how horrible it is that a union member would vote for Kerry just because that's what the Union wants.
Why would one be ok, and not the other?

This whole election process, the fiasco it is, that it will be, how hateful people are, how divided the country is (more divided than I've ever seen it, even including the Vietnam war) is why I put the "DARE to think for yourself" bumper sticker on my car. The only bumper sticker I have.

 

[utahdog2003]

That's right, maybe we should pass a global test before we do anything, that way we wouldnt be labeled as pigs, arrogant, imperalistic et al. In order to fit outside your label, you better sell your Rover and buy some high milage econobox. Further, off roading is highly verboten to the left (must save the environment) so shame on you for ever roading, better quit bitching about the cost of gas because not only are the taxes that are rolled into the price of every gallon supporting the numerous entitlement programs that have mushroomed out of control but, according to Algore, are the way of forcing the American public out of their imperialistic 4 wheel drives.

Your mouth runs with the same foul smelling seepage that settles to the bottom of a septic tank.

Blow me, Fat Boy! (there...now that I've matched your mindless personal attack with one of my own...)

I live 3 minutes from work, which means I could drive a power plant and still use less fuel than most Americans. And the left isn't universally opposed to off-roading any more than the right is universally opposed to a woman's right to choose. You've just been brain-washed into only seeing generalizations. There are absolutely places where we shouldn't wheel. There are distances we shouldn't consider driving on a daily basis. And as a city planner, I say raise the price of gas...park you car a bit and walk...we could all use a reinforcement of 'local' community.

GOP got you scared. Democrats don't want all your guns...Democrats don't want all your Public Land. Democrats like me want a balance between land for my truck, land for my paper-pulp, and land for that damned owl. Democrats like me just want a balance between owning a gun to shoot a bird for sport (How many stupid hunting trips does Kerry need to go on to make that point?!), a hand-gun for protecting your family, and having an Uzi collection for shits-and-grins to make up for your stumpy little cock. MOST Democrats like me want a balance. Assuming otherwise just proves the point that you're (generalized...not you specifically, Mr MG) a narrow minded, Hannity-hugging fear-monger.

Point I'm making is...you can run the country like the Yankees, sucking up all the big time players and spending with reckless abandon, all to win at all costs, or you can realize that the health of the 'league' is in a more balanced, fiscally responsible playing field. The NFL did it, and look...even with a 'fair and balanced' opportunity for all, The Patriots still come out on top!

Man! I'll be glad when this fucking election is over, and we can get back to talking about Rovers! This is worse than talk radio!

 

[QCNR]

OHH GOD
Read the first line of my last post carefully to understand
that this is how (my opinion) Europeans, and that is not only the EU, VIEW the US AFTER
Bush cam to power. These are the impressions that we get here from our media, this is how bush is portrayed here, this is how the us is portrayed by the media here......

Blue I can look after my own ass anytime, I spent 5 years in the forces, did some training in the US, went on ops in Belize and NI... I dont need you lot to cover my ass and frankly wouldnt want to....
It also doesnt matter whether a terrorist is Islamic or why he is still a terrorist and therefor a threat, but seeing as you go for bodycount, well I suppose you are right....

OH my god you pay TAX help that never occured to me, G Dubya spends it, no really????
You voted for him so you are saying it is great to spend your tax money on what he is doing.... I didnt!! OH and my tax money (part of it) is doing the same....

Eric N I forgot to mention this is business deductable tax

The H2 is a tax loophole. Under Bush's new tax plan, business owners can deduct the entire cost of their $55,000 H2. If you are in the highest tax bracket, that's a tax savings of nearly $20,000! The government rewards you more savings for buying an H2 than you'd get for buying an electric car.

As to the accuracy of this quote i do not know however it is from this site

Back to Blue

In Ireland it's predominantly a Catholic / Protestant issue. The more important factor is that America is not trying to retain one of it's 17th century colonies....

Partly right but also wrong, be aware the US openly supported the IRA and allowed fundraising aswell as selling weapons. (Not the government itself, but they were aware of the activity but didnt stop it)
I am not European I am British.

To summarise I think I can safely say that my conclusion from the comments here (obvious Bush supporters) that you dont really care for the rest of the world as long as your petrol is cheap and can kick some terrorists ass where he lives because you guys had a bigger single casualty rate than anyone else, no matter what everyone else in the world thinks, because if we dont agree with you we are wrong.

 

[Blue]

LOL, you brought it up buddy. You don't want a response, then don't open your mouth.

 

[utahdog2003]

As far as the Utah dude. We are a cancer, people use too much and put back too little. Its the nature of us.. Its a byproduct of success I am afraid.... We are only around for a little while though so I think the planet will survive us just fine..

I feel ya, Kyle. I'm just saying that, I don't think this level of aggression would exist toward Americans if we just weren't so hung up on having homes with 5 bathrooms, or bathrooms with 3 sinks, or sinks with filtered and tap water. Some of what we have come to expect that we have a right to is out of control.

I am a consumer...a gadget freak!...but there just needs to be some realization that somebody who's personnal budget is in the hundreds of thousands will get grief from those who do not see the need...

You wouldn't get on the NYC subway with the Hope Diamond around your neck, right? That's just asking for a threat to materialize.

Rover-on, my friends, Rover-on. November 3rd is taking tooooo long!

 

[Blue]

Rover-on, my friends, Rover-on. November 3rd is taking tooooo long!

please do cast your vote for Kerry on November 3rd!

 

[syoung]

Too bad the moderates of both parties can't pull their heads out and get a moderate in office. The far Left is gun-grabber, tree hugger, anti-SUV and damn near Communist in their social views. That isn't MOST of the liberals though. The far Right is religious nutcase bullshit- That isn't MOST of the conservatives though.
Problem is that a third party of moderate COMMON SENSE will never work. So we're going to bouce back and forth between zealots. Each one trying to push the extreme until we get pissed and go the other way for 4 or 8 years...
I, for one, am really losing my ability to give a sh*t about those issues and just concentrate on living my life for myself and not asking "what I can do for my country" anymore.

 

[QCNR]

I believe the post was started by "Lostin Boston"
???????????

 

[Kyle]

OCNR,

Yeah we want cheap gas. Yeah we "try" to look out for this Country before we look out for others. Its no different then any other Countries do , we just do it better. This is the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA we are the biggest player at the table and we have more then once sent men to die for the benefit of other Countries. We have been in world wars and we have ended World wars. We built our Country from nothing and we faught to keep it our own. So to answer your question. If other Countries that we have more then likely gone to war WITH or gone to war FOR dont like us , I really dont give a flying fuck , it says more about them then it says about us. The Brits are about the only people that hang in there wih us through all the bullshit , but in reality , we had to kick their ass years ago to become what we are today.. Are you really thinking about what you are saying and do you know much about US history ? Lets say we closed all imports into the US and we simply took the real estate that we won with blood. What would other Countries think then ?

 

[Blue]

I feel ya, Kyle. I'm just saying that, I don't think this level of aggression would exist toward Americans if we just weren't so hung up on having homes with 5 bathrooms, or bathrooms with 3 sinks, or sinks with filtered and tap water. Some of what we have come to expect that we have a right to is out of control.

I am a consumer...a gadget freak!...but there just needs to be some realization that somebody who's personnal budget is in the hundreds of thousands will get grief from those who do not see the need...

You wouldn't get on the NYC subway with the Hope Diamond around your neck, right? That's just asking for a threat to materialize.

True, but don't you think that Third World Joe would have a 5 bedroom house with filtered tap water if he could? I don't think Americans feel it is a "right", I think most of us feel that if it's available and you have the means to obtain it, then why not? Sure, we could use a change in the trend of bigger is better (houses, SUVs, supersize meal deals, etc.) and that trend will change sooner or later, but you can't attack someone for legally obtaining bigger & better.

And grief for having vs. being a have-not is understandable.....but flying damn airplanes into skyscrapers is over the top. Your Hope Diamond analogy is understandable, but is slaughtering the diamond wearer justified?

I'm a pretty simple guy.....2 bedroom house, one for me and one for child, a little food in the fridge, a toy Rover, a more efficient commuter car, no cable, no home phone, no home computer, and absolutely nothing in the attic and nothing in the closets that I don't use frequently. Hell, I only take my garbage & recycling bins to the curb every other week because there's hardly anything ever in there. Contrast that with some people who need to hold quarterly garage sales so that can sell last year's crap to make room for this year's crap, or just make room for their ever-increasing fat asses.

 

[Blue]

I believe the post was started by "Lostin Boston"
???????????

All you guys and girls are obviously discussing this from an internal point of view...
From an outsider all I can say is I hope Bush doesnt win again...
War on terrorism my arse, Britain has been trying that for decades in Northern Ireland
and the only good that came out of it is 2 convicted terrorists got the Nobel piece prize.
Lets face Gee Dubya has hardly made the world a safer place,

 

[Kyle]

Looks like I agree with Steve Young on something..... We are just like a drunk going down the highway bouncing back and forth between the lines. We might be all over the place but we stay on the road and we do progress....

 

[QCNR]

Well if you did close all imports you wouldnt be able to drive very far.....
And anyway you lot keep talking about and using arguments that are irrelavent in this debate, I thought this was a debate about the merits of Bush or Kerry, not who won the last world war......yawn
And like I keep saying from an outsiders point of view Bush doesnt have alot going for him....apart from his blunders that provide a laugh....

 

[Kyle]

I dont care for the 5 bedroom thing either. We get what we can get. We all want a nice life and that means different things to different people. We are enjoying th fruits of our labor. Christ , in the "EU" they are more worried about vacation then they are work so I can see how we have more. Look at the vacation schedules over there and its easy to see the issue. Dont give us shit because we succeed no matter what is happening. Its an AMERICAN phenominon , we do everything too much , we work too much , we spend too much , we bomb too much , thats just the way it is..... Unless we are bombing you at the moment you should probably be happy and move along......

 

[Kyle]

Read my post again and tell me how far we would be able to drive. Read slow sparky. And yes its relevant because everytime the fucking election comes up , the war comes up.

Oh , and as you stated , you are an outsider. Either Candidate doesnt need to look good to you.... Do they ?

 

[QCNR]

All you guys and girls are obviously discussing this from an internal point of view...
From an outsider all I can say is I hope Bush doesnt win again...
War on terrorism my arse, Britain has been trying that for decades in Northern Ireland
and the only good that came out of it is 2 convicted terrorists got the Nobel piece prize.
Lets face Gee Dubya has hardly made the world a safer place,

You just made my point for me thankyou...
The war on terrorism (albeit different) in NI accomplished nothing other than (until Al whatsit) one of the worlds best terrorist and mafia organisations, the IRA were not freedom fighters, but in it for the money. There was and is no peace between the two factions, what makes you think that Gee Dubyas efforts (albeit on a different scale) will achieve anything different?????

 

[syoung]

We have enough oil here... if we closed the borders, we'd get by. Just might have to disturb the horny caribou to drill for it.
That's scary- Kyle and I have agreed like THREE times on stuff now. Holy sheeyit!

 

[QCNR]

r. Christ , in the "EU" they are more worried about vacation then they are work so I can see how we have more.

You are just as misinformed about the EU as I am about the US because last time I looked at my payslip, I got paid a hefty chunk of overtime.
And what is wrong with a right to 5 weeks annual holiday....
Hey if you want to work yourself to death be my guest but dont whinge about it....

 

[Kyle]

Read the post carefully Steve. We wouldnt even need to disturb the horny creatures.. Hell we would have more area for people to file into trying to get into our Country. You know , the one thats so fucked up...

 

[QCNR]

Read my post again and tell me how far we would be able to drive. Read slow sparky. And yes its relevant because everytime the fucking election comes up , the war comes up.

Oh , and as you stated , you are an outsider. Either Candidate doesnt need to look good to you.... Do they ?

Well obviously not, but I do like to know what is going on in the WORLD, rather than just sticking my head in the sand in my backyard....