McCain VP- Sarah Palin

antichrist

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MarkP said:
I believe what she said is "don't be afraid of information". I think she is in favor of teaching evolution and creationism along side each other. Her approach seems much more real world than teaching only one perspective, in touch with all the parts vs. only the anti-christian part.
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And I said I don't have a problem teaching about the Christian view of creation in a comparative religion class. It does NOT belong in a science class, and don't fool yourself for a second that that's not where she wants it.
The is absolutely no evidence for creation other than the bible. Pointing to a gap in evolutionary theory isn't proof of creation.
That's like you seeing my fuel gauge on empty, then the next day seeing it on full, and saying, "Ah ha! This proves God put petrol in his tank!" because you see no evidence I went to the filling station.

And again, why are so many of the same people who complain about the utter failure of government programs the ones who want the government teaching our kids about religion?
 

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"And again, why are so many of the same people who complain about the utter failure of government programs the ones who want the government teaching our kids about religion?"

This same sentence could be said of the Taliban.
 

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HunterAK said:
You're a piece of shit dude. Period.

Fuck you, you had to make it personal, couldn't hold a decent conversation without letting your emotions get the best of you and calling for back up. Fucking chump.

If McCain is so high and mighty why was did he turn his back on his first wife after she was injured in a car accident to have an affair? Kind of the republican way, similar to Newt who served his wife with divorce papers while in bed after surgery for cancer. Oh, it's those republican family values...

He is another shoot first ask questions later just like GW and this decision without the vetting process is proof positive that he is a loose canon.
 

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landrovered said:
"And again, why are so many of the same people who complain about the utter failure of government programs the ones who want the government teaching our kids about religion?"

This same sentence could be said of the Taliban.
You lost me there....
 

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antichrist said:
Hypocrisy? Sorry, I didn't realize you were saying it was hypocrisy. Doh!

Well, I don't see it as hypocrisy. I'm sure she didn't encourage her daughter to have unprotected sex. I suspect she didn't even know her daughter was doing it. To me hypocrisy would be that or her telling her daughter to ask for birth control from her school nurse.

I see it as a refusal to recognize reality. That no matter how much you promote abstinence, there will be a significant number of kids who won't take the advice. At least 33% in her own family's case (the percentage of failure my go down as her two youngest reach sexually active ages).

Putting it in the big political picture, it's a failure to recognize that a policy you've implemented has a significant failure rate.

I don't understand this type of reasoning. She promotes abstinence because she believes that it is right. It is completely reasonable to believe that people no matter how much they've been presented with good advice won't take it.

Let's take your example and apply it to murder. Would it be a refusal to recognize reality to promote not murdering someone? No, murder is wrong and creating policies to try to reduce it is completely rational. Murder has been and always been part of human nature. Does that mean by your logic we should just recognize reality and just allow it since it will happen anyways?
 

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The desire to teach religion in public schools in this country is no different that the Taliban teaching its doctrine in the schools of Afghanastan.

The desire to indoctrinate the masses with a specific set of religious behaviorial tenets is fundamental to religious extremists everywhere.

Does that help?
 

Mike_Rupp

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landrovered said:
The desire to teach religion in public schools in this country is no different that the Taliban teaching its doctrine in the schools of Afghanastan.

The desire to indoctrinate the masses with a specific set of religious behaviorial tenets is fundamental to religious extremists everywhere.

Does that help?

I think I know why Al Gore pushed to get his movie played in schools now.
 

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landrovered said:
The desire to teach religion in public schools in this country is no different that the Taliban teaching its doctrine in the schools of Afghanastan.

The desire to indoctrinate the masses with a specific set of religious behaviorial tenets is fundamental to religious extremists everywhere.

Does that help?

On the surface....at a passing glance, at a very high rate of speed, perhaps. But any further exploration of your comparison will quickly show that the Taliban teach their rugrats violence and murder as a means to reach their goals.
 

landrovered

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Same reason Pepsi and Coke are paying schools for the right to put in vending machines.
 

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hamsquatch said:
it is what it is.



lol......



That's fine. I am *not* a creationist, I'm a geologist, the Earth's 4.6 billion years old and we're a product of evolution.... but, I'm still one of those white people in church on Sunday morning (I'm hesitating on callin' myself old, but, I did just move my older daughter into her dorm room at college....).... I am one of those who think the global warming stuff is something to sit back at and watch the arguments fly, lol, but, at the same time, I can acknowledge that most of the things urged for people to do *in the name of global warming* are actually really good things to do, simply as a pollution control measure...... just call it what it is, tho'.....
 

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apg said:
...Remember, McCain has voted with the prez 90 to 95% of the time, depending upon your sources...QUOTE] :banghead:

Does anyone here remember School House Rocks?

John McCain is in the legislative branch of government. Bills are introduced there and are debated and voted on to send to the president for signing or veto. This branch is currently controlled by the Democrats.

GW is the president, (the executive branch), where he receives the aforementioned bills from the legislative branch, and chooses to sign them into law or veto them. Here is the most important part: HE DOES NOT VOTE ON LEGISLATION!!!!

This argument is much like Obama himself. It may sound nice and pretty, but it is completely without substance. This just shows me that the democrats have no substance to run on, and are just hoping to dupe people for voting for them.

I have faith in our country that we are intelligent enough to see through all the crap on both sides and do what is best for our country. We may not agree 100% with all that is done, but we have to try to do what is best overall. We will never see a perfect candidate (or human for that matter) again.
 

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landrovered said:
Same reason Pepsi and Coke are paying schools for the right to put in vending machines.


??????

All of the schools around here took OUT coke machines years ago.... or if they have them, they're locked up and off-limits until after the school-day's over.....
 

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montanablur said:
Fuck you, you had to make it personal, couldn't hold a decent conversation without letting your emotions get the best of you and calling for back up. Fucking chump.

If McCain is so high and mighty why was did he turn his back on his first wife after she was injured in a car accident to have an affair? Kind of the republican way, similar to Newt who served his wife with divorce papers while in bed after surgery for cancer. Oh, it's those republican family values...

He is another shoot first ask questions later just like GW and this decision without the vetting process is proof positive that he is a loose canon.

You're a little bitch and a sorry excuse for an American man, really.... You think I'm afraid of having an exchange with a moron like yourself? HA! Gimme a break. You haven't made one valid fucking point since you opened your mouth and let the shit flow. All you've done is repeatedly redirect the topics so you can deliver low fucking blows that have absolutely nothing to do with the issues. Typical Democrat bitch.

Fuck you too.
 

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Leslie said:
??????

All of the schools around here took OUT coke machines years ago.... or if they have them, they're locked up and off-limits until after the school-day's over.....

Our local schools have slushie machines and coke machines in the the lunch room and movie posters in the hallway. It is more marketed than a sports arena.
 

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Mike_Rupp said:
Let's take your example and apply it to murder. Would it be a refusal to recognize reality to promote not murdering someone? No, murder is wrong and creating policies to try to reduce it is completely rational. Murder has been and always been part of human nature. Does that mean by your logic we should just recognize reality and just allow it since it will happen anyways?
Oh come on, you're equating teaching kids about conception and birth control with murder?

But ok, I'll go with your example, no matter how silly it is.
Using her position we would encourage people to not commit murder, ignore the fact that a subset of the population will attempt to commit murder, and so ban the teaching of self defense.
 

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Leslie said:
That's fine. I am *not* a creationist, I'm a geologist, the Earth's 4.6 billion years old and we're a product of evolution.... but, I'm still one of those white people in church on Sunday morning (I'm hesitating on callin' myself old, but, I did just move my older daughter into her dorm room at college....).... I am one of those who think the global warming stuff is something to sit back at and watch the arguments fly, lol, but, at the same time, I can acknowledge that most of the things urged for people to do *in the name of global warming* are actually really good things to do, simply as a pollution control measure...... just call it what it is, tho'.....

Too bad you're not running for president. (no sarcasm intended)

Cheers,

- Ham