McCain VP- Sarah Palin

[gugubica]

...Sarah Palin is a heartbeat away from being the President if they are elected.

I mean really...

Obama is a vote away from being President and has ZERO leadership or executive experience. In fact, he has less total experience than THE VICE PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE!

So what makes more sense? Voting for a lady for the number TWO spot with light experience, or voting for a guy with even less experience for the number ONE spot?

If McCain wins, there is a chance, only a chance that she could be running the Country. If Obama wins it is guaranteed that he will be running (screwing up) the Country.

I mean really...

 

[HunterAK]

You need Mike to back you up? Pussy. We haven't even gotten to the point where you tell me I wouldn't say this in person and your calling for backup? :rofl:

I have been nothing but decent and respectful to this point, you on the other hand seem to have your panties in bunch over my opinions and factual statements of public figures.



I'm sorry, but I don't agree that he is the person we need in office and I still don't see the correlation between being a POW and being a leader are. It's like letting the kid that wins a staring contest be the captain of the football team because he has determination.

Again, with all due respect to Senator McCain, 5 1/2 years is a long time anywhere. But maybe flying wasn't his thing? He did place 894th out of a class of 899, that is a pretty poor performance. You would think that crashing three jets prior to being shipped off to Vietnam would be a pretty good indicator to keep himself grounded. His judgment was poor then as it is now.


I'm out, I'm banning myself...

You're a piece of shit dude. Period.

 

[MarkP]

. . . I think Joe Biden is a strong choice. . . .

From my perspective Biden is a disaster. He is tied to the Chicago and Mississippi corruption. He is a plagerist. Significant amounts of money have been funneled through his son's lobbyist and trial lawyer relationships.

And the guy is an idiot.

Sept 1, 2008

"I will be back, I'll be back to campaign in earnest," Biden said, "but today is not the moment for me to campaign. Today is the moment for me as a United States senator running for president to put aside the national politics and focus on what's happening down there" in the Gulf Coast.​

A critical look at Biden shows that Obama is not about Change. He is about more of the same.

As Spengler puts it - "Joe Biden was a statement of weakness."

Sep 3, 2008
How Obama lost the election
By Spengler

DENVER - Senator Barack Obama's acceptance speech last week seemed vastly different from the stands of this city's Invesco Stadium than it did to the 40 million who saw it on television. Melancholy hung like thick smog over the reserved seats where I sat with Democratic Party staffers. . . .

On television, Obama's spectacle might have looked like The Ten Commandments, but inside the stadium it felt like Night of the Living Dead. . . .

The Democrats were watching the brightest and most articulate presidential candidate they have fielded since John F Kennedy snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. And this was before John McCain, in a maneuver worthy of Admiral Chester Nimitz at the Battle of Midway, turned tables on the Democrats' strategy with the choice of Alaska governor Sarah Palin as his running mate. . . .​

 

[flyfisher11]

At least you can muster up some decency inside you to have a little "respect" for Sen. McCain and the adversity and sacrifices he endured during his time as a POW.

Where is Mike (Flyfisher) when I need him here....

Ahhh hell, I'll give it a shot since you're so in the dark here montana.

What the Fuck does being a POW have to do with being a leader Montana? How about I break both your arms and torture you for 5 years and then give you an opportunity to walk away and go home to your family? McCain REFUSED to leave because his fellow soldiers, his fellow Americans, who had been there longer than him were still in captivity and weren't being released as well. And when they dragged him back to his cell, he called out to each one of them to keep their spirits up.

5 years Montana.

Now you tell me how that experience wouldn't somehow translate into being a leader for America, the largest defenders of freedom on this planet? A country who needs someone to pull us all together and break down party lines to reveal the fact that behind our party affiliation, we are just Americans. His fellow POW's could have been Independents, Republicans, Democrats, muslims, whatever. Do you think it mattered to him at that time?

This is the kind of person we need in office.
atriot:

I'm here Hunter. And I might say well said above. The reason I started avoiding this thread is the fact that many of the posters have absolutely no fucking clue as to what the speak of. They are what is wrong with our current political dysfunction. Strictly partisan all with a "gotcha" mentality. Anyone in there right mind that cannot see that McCain's experiences are a plus are either lying to themselves or they are a complete idiot. As far as Palin's qualifications, she is much more qualified than Obama. What has he done? Really what has he done? Nothing. Why are there such blanks in his resume'? There are entire chunks of his life missing. Even Gore had old college buddies coming out for him when he was running. Where are these folks that associated with Obama? They have all been told to shut up and hide that is where. Why? You tell me. It is very unnerving that we do not know anything about him other than he is running for president. His earlier associations are one's he doesn't want out of the closet. Just look at the one's that we already have seen, disgusting!

Cheers,

Mike

 

[2FUELS]

From my perspective Biden is a disaster. He is tied to the Chicago and Mississippi corruption. He is a plagerist. Significant amounts of money have been funneled through his son's lobbyist and trial lawyer relationships.

And the guy is an idiot.

Sept 1, 2008

"I will be back, I'll be back to campaign in earnest," Biden said, "but today is not the moment for me to campaign. Today is the moment for me as a United States senator running for president to put aside the national politics and focus on what's happening down there" in the Gulf Coast.​

A critical look at Biden shows that Obama is not about Change. He is about more of the same.

As Spengler puts it - "Joe Biden was a statement of weakness."

Sep 3, 2008
How Obama lost the election
By Spengler

DENVER - Senator Barack Obama's acceptance speech last week seemed vastly different from the stands of this city's Invesco Stadium than it did to the 40 million who saw it on television. Melancholy hung like thick smog over the reserved seats where I sat with Democratic Party staffers. . . .

On television, Obama's spectacle might have looked like The Ten Commandments, but inside the stadium it felt like Night of the Living Dead. . . .

The Democrats were watching the brightest and most articulate presidential candidate they have fielded since John F Kennedy snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. And this was before John McCain, in a maneuver worthy of Admiral Chester Nimitz at the Battle of Midway, turned tables on the Democrats' strategy with the choice of Alaska governor Sarah Palin as his running mate. . . .
​

C'mon MP, you're supposed to be selling Ms. Palin to us, at this point there is little doubt on your Obama position...on a lighter note, I see we've pledged $1,000,000,000.00 in economic aid to Former Soviet Georgia, solid investment or laptops for the tribesman?

 

[MarkP]

The attacks on Palin have become pretty ugly. They have exposed the Democrat Party for what it really is. But why? Why risk educating Americans as to what you REALLY stand for?

Peggy Noonan on Palin: “A real and present danger to the American left”
September 3, 2008

Because she jumbles up so many cultural categories, because she is a feminist not in the Yale Gender Studies sense but the How Do I Reload This Thang way, because she is a woman who in style, history, moxie and femininity is exactly like a normal American feminist and not an Abstract Theory feminist; because she wears makeup and heels and eats mooseburgers and is Alaska Tough, as Time magazine put it; because she is conservative, and pro-2nd Amendment and pro-life; and because conservatives can smell this sort of thing — who is really one of them and who is not — and will fight to the death for one of their beleaguered own; because of all of this she is a real and present danger to the American left, and to a future Obama candidacy.

She could become a transformative political presence.

So they are going to have to kill her, and kill her quick.​

 

[MarkP]

As for Georgia . . . .

Georgians Eager to Rebuild Army

 

[MarkP]

And now that Obama has defined himself down to the VP slot . . . .

McCain ad: Palin more qualified than Obama
The Politico ^ | September 3, 2008 | Mike Allen

. . . The campaign announced: “The McCain campaign will launch a television ad directly comparing Gov. Palin’s executive experience as a governor who oversees 24,000 state employees, 14 statewide cabinet agencies and a $ 10 billion budget to Barack Obama’s experience as a one-term junior senator from Illinois.” . . .​

Didn't Obama spend most of his junior Senator time in presidential primaries?

His other executive experience? . . . the south side of Chicago Annenberg Challange. Sen. Obama, could you tell us about your time at the Annenberg Challange? You can't? Why not?

 

[antichrist]

:smilelol: her position on sex ed is that important to you as part of this election? that is laughable...

Where have I said it was the most important thing? I've only said it should be considered, that it's not a non-issue.
IN any case, so someone who wants to only allow a certain curriculum in schools, even when it's smack dab in her face that she can't even get it to work in her own house, doesn't bother you?
It doesn't bother you that a national leader, when faced with the fact that her method doesn't work, refuses to change her mind and admit she was wrong?
Other accomplishments? Yeah, apparently there have been quite a few, including garnering a lot of pork and then pretending like she doesn't like it. I guess she doesn't like it only when it's others getting it.

And I know, people will jump in with clinton this, obama that, biden that...but this thread is about Palin.

 

[HunterAK]

I love how all you dems are avoiding any kind of talk about Biden and his role as VP. I would too. It's kind of a sore spot huh?

He has less confidence in his running mate than anyone, but I'm sure everyone has an excuse for him too.

 

[antichrist]

BTW, if it hadn't been (mainly) for his sell-out to the US hating religious fanatics I probably would have voted for McCain.

edit, Voting Libertarian, just to be clear.

 

[HunterAK]

BTW, if it hadn't been (mainly) for his sell-out to the US hating religious fanatics I probably would have voted for McCain.

Yeah, that's too bad.

 

[Blue]

Oh, and it all relates back to Love Boat dude. Obama is Isaac! Mccain is Capt Steubing and Palin Is Julie our lovely cruise direct-tor. Biden might be Doc, I dont know.

I think you're on to something here.....Biden might be better off as Gopher, though, since that's what he is for Obama. Wasn't Isaac always banging Julie too? That would make for an interesting twist in this election.

 

[Blue]

:deadhorse:

All I saw last night was a room full of rich white folks, they should have had the convention at the country club.

And by that rationale, the dem convention should have been held at the local KFC.

 

[p m]

Ok, fair enough. But, to use your Bill Clinton example (which I think was the hallway B/J's) I don't think he promoted that as part of the school curriculum, even though I agree he set a piss poor example.

Sarah Palin, on the other hand, wants her method that obviously doesn't work even when, presumably, taught by mother to daughter, as the only sex related education in school.

Oh come on Tom. A President of the United States lied under oath in front of all the world, and got away with it - does it need to be a part of the school curriculum?
Hipocrisy is something most of us guilty of. But, really, comparing these two things, Palin's not very high on the H scale.

I'm sorry, but I don't agree that he is the person we need in office and I still don't see the correlation between being a POW and being a leader are.

How about sense of duty to your fellow POWs? Its about honor, integrity, things that unless you've manned up and actually served your country, you'll probably never get it.

Steve, I guess that divides people who ever had as little as an online SERE course from those who haven't.
Sinuhe, you'd be impressed with it, and you'd have better concept of leadership and POW status.
Most importantly, McCain's behavior as a POW demonstrates strength of his convictions - and that's (IMHO) more important for a country leader than IQ, knowledge, etc. There is always significant brainpower behind the tactical details, but every now and then a person of stature of the U.S. President has nobody to consult with before making a decision but his conscience.

 

[landrovered]

And by that rationale, the dem convention should have been held at the local KFC.

Where did the RNC "big tent" go? It has been moved to Saudi Arabia and a fat ass wahabi is eating figs under it.

Republicans have gotten back down to their roots; abortion, tax cuts for the upper class and big business, religious conservatism and hiding behind the flag.

The more things change the more they remain the same.

It was a pleasure to see the GOP grimace as their own party trashed their own president and the record of disasters that make up the bush legacy (Drain the swamp).

 

[hamsquatch]

And by that rationale, the dem convention should have been held at the local KFC.

Not following you here. Is that some sort of racist remark?

I would not say the Republican convention looked like a country club, more like church on sunday morning. A bunch of old white people listening to christian music.

Be careful here folks.

 

[Tempest]

Where have I said it was the most important thing? I've only said it should be considered, that it's not a non-issue.
IN any case, so someone who wants to only allow a certain curriculum in schools, even when it's smack dab in her face that she can't even get it to work in her own house, doesn't bother you?
It doesn't bother you that a national leader, when faced with the fact that her method doesn't work, refuses to change her mind and admit she was wrong?
Other accomplishments? Yeah, apparently there have been quite a few, including garnering a lot of pork and then pretending like she doesn't like it. I guess she doesn't like it only when it's others getting it.

And I know, people will jump in with clinton this, obama that, biden that...but this thread is about Palin.

I never said it was the most important... but cleary it is important to you... perhaps her kid is rebelling against her family... but kids never rebel ... perhaps she feels her curriculum is better for the majority and realizes it is not effective 100% (her daughter case in point) and is not foolish enough to switch it based on it not working for her daughter... she is using better judgement by analyzing its effect over time....

 

[antichrist]

Oh come on Tom. A President of the United States lied under oath in front of all the world, and got away with it - does it need to be a part of the school curriculum?
Hipocrisy is something most of us guilty of. But, really, comparing these two things, Palin's not very high on the H scale.

Yeah, well, the current director of the FBI lied under oath to congress too, and got away with it. Even congress didn't learn from Clinton.

I'm not talking about lying and getting away with it. I'm talking about someone who wants to withhold important information from kids and substitute something that doesn't work as the "right" (and only) information.

So essentially your position is that because two people of national leadership positions lied under oath that it's ok for the VP to promote giving such obviously bad information to school kids as part of the lesson plan?

 

[Tempest]

a person of stature of the U.S. President has nobody to consult with before making a decision but his conscience.

:applause: agreed!