McCain VP- Sarah Palin

[antichrist]

Not really. Babies havent broken any crimes yet. Apples and oranges.

Ummm..
1. Lot's of debate on whether or not a zygote is "human life" (as opposed to potential human life). Only 59% of Americans believe life begins at conception.
2. I haven't seen anyone argue that a criminal sitting in jail isn't alive. I'm guessing (never seen hard numbers) way more than 59% of Americans believe criminals to be alive.

If she wants to call herself "pro-life-when-it-suits-me" I have no problem with that. That would be honest.

 

[Chris-St Louis]

Give me a break Tom. You cant be this silly.

A baby (as a majoity calls it-yoru number 59%) has commited no crime.

Someone on death row is being put to death for a crime they commmited, knowing that woudl be the punishment.

I would argue, if you do something so terrible that 12 people think you should die, your right to live is over. You have to do something pretty bad to be on death row.


You cant be serious with this arguement.

 

[antichrist]

Someone on death row is being put to death for a crime they commmited, knowing that woudl be the punishment.

What about the ones put to death for a crime they didn't commit, a well documented fact that it happens.
If you're cool with that, for the "greater good" or whatever you want to call it, would you be cool with it if it were your wife or kid?

It was mostly a rhetorical question, debating the death penalty is like debating abortion, no one is going to change their mind.

 

[Chris-St Louis]

I see your point on paper, but come on... There is theory and practice.

 

[antichrist]

Shit happens..what can I say?

 

[flyfisher11]

The thread to this point is exactly why I have been avoiding it. Yeah I got sucked in and said a few things but my point is this. No one on this board is going to change any one's mind about this election. I know that and most of you reading this know that. Throwing up all the quotes, and news clips, and blog statements don't mean a thing to me. I know exactly how I feel on the issues at hand, no waffling, no fence riding. I don't pretend to change any one's mind here. I bet most of you feel the same way. So with that I am out.

Cheers yall,

Mike
:victory:

 

[antichrist]

Aww Mike, you mean you didn't even like my VW ad? LOL

 

[jammin]

School is for learning facts, church is for sharing religious stories, beliefs, and traditions.

School is for learning facts. The existence of religious stories, beliefs, and traditions in human history and society is a fact.

Creationism has absolutely no place in (public) schools.

Creationism does have a place in public school... in history, sociology, religion, and possibly government and current events classes.

It has no place in science class.

Amazing how Democrats call gays "Diverse" when they are on their side, but "Perverts" when they aren't.

I'm not sure where you're getting that from. The gay incidents in those lists involved minors and even young children... the perversion is pedophilia, not homosexuality.

What I'm really amazed at are all the liberal news babes critizing Sarah Palin for having the nerve to have a career while she's got 5 kids at home, one of them a "special needs" kid no less. Did the whole feminism movement just go on hiatus like global warming?

I don't see that. I see criticism for returning to work so early after giving birth, particularly to a "special needs" kid. Nothing wrong with having a career and kids... but returning to full time work within days of birth? Some may have no other choice economically, but... surely not a Mayor or Governor!

All of the advice in the world tells you the first few weeks are critical. Spend them with the kid. A "career mom" will have access to maternity leave and/or short term disability insurance that is specifically meant to allow them to spend time at home with the kid, and return to work afterward. She should use it.

Hell, I wiped out my entire sick leave balance to stay home with my first kid. I'm wiping out half of my vacation to stay home with this next one. In both doing some work from home, and coming in for full days on a regular basis.

I know many do not have that option, and can't do that. But since I'm fortunate enough to be able to, I feel an obligation to do it.
I can't think of a more worthwhile way to spend that time anyway.

Now if the dad truly is home with the kids, so is there for the newborn right now... well, that's good. But my understanding is that she is taking the infants to work with her. Better than nothing I suppose... but that just doesn't sit right with me. Smacks of putting her own ambitions over the welfare of the child.

 

[Mike_Rupp]

The thread to this point is exactly why I have been avoiding it. Yeah I got sucked in and said a few things but my point is this. No one on this board is going to change any one's mind about this election. I know that and most of you reading this know that. Throwing up all the quotes, and news clips, and blog statements don't mean a thing to me. I know exactly how I feel on the issues at hand, no waffling, no fence riding. I don't pretend to change any one's mind here. I bet most of you feel the same way. So with that I am out.

Cheers yall,

Mike
:victory:

You are correct as it regards to the frequent posters here. However, Sarah Palin will have an effect outside the hardheads here. Take my wife for example. She doesn't vote with regularity. She voted for Carol Moseley Braun. She is now completely on board to vote for McCain. Its doubtful that she would have voted for McCain if he had picked another old white guy, yet now she will vote.

These are the critical voters (unfortunately) in winning an election. There's a good likelihood that Sarah Palin could tip the balance.

 

[RBBailey]

No!
What I keep saying is - Palin's conflict between her promoting abstinency in school and teenage pregnant daughter is nothing compared to the level of hipocrisy we've been exposed to in the last 10 years (regardless of party affiliation, if it pleases you).

Is it her hypocracy, or just her daughter's dumb decision? (Stupid)




What is wrong with promoting abstinence?

 

[RBBailey]

What about the ones put to death for a crime they didn't commit, a well documented fact that it happens.

Yes, it does, but this is not what the argument is about, we are talking about abortion.
The problem is not the death penalty, the problem is the legal system that convicts minorities even when there is a shadow of a doubt, if the legal system were allowed to work the way it is supposed to, the death penalty would never be given to an innocent person. (Stupid)

 

[montanablur]

Just got her passport two years ago.

Visited New York City for the first time last year.

Ready to be a world leader?

Seriously?

:rofl:

 

[p m]

Is it her hypocracy, or just her daughter's dumb decision? (Stupid)
What is wrong with promoting abstinence?

I don't see anything wrong with promoting abstinence (although I, personally, would consider it a waste of young years), and I don't hold Sarah Palin in any way responsible for what happened with her daughter. Tom seems to see it as an indicator of inability to lay down the law and enforce it.

Sinuhe, many of us have been to many corners of the world. It doesn't make any of us world leaders, by any means. I can't see why do you dislike her this much, and sure hope you realize that the number of sleazebags is very even between Republicans and Democrats. To tip the scale the Republican way (some), however, I'd mention Marion Barry and Kwame Kilpatrick (Ray Nagin will take his place, eventually).

 

[RBBailey]

I don't see anything wrong with promoting abstinence (although I, personally, would consider it a waste of young years), and I don't hold Sarah Palin in any way responsible for what happened with her daughter. Tom seems to see it as an indicator of inability to lay down the law and enforce it.

Sinuhe, many of us have been to many corners of the world. It doesn't make any of us world leaders, by any means. I can't see why do you dislike her this much, and sure hope you realize that the number of sleazebags is very even between Republicans and Democrats. To tip the scale the Republican way (some), however, I'd mention Marion Barry and Kwame Kilpatrick (Ray Nagin will take his place, eventually).

Yes, I was supporting your argument against what Tom was saying. In his way of thinking, if Obama's girls grew up to be Conservative, Obama would be a hypocrite. But that would be a stupid thing to say. Maybe I should make my arguments better. If I prove more people wrong, would that make people like me more?

Wow, this thread has really turned around a few times....

 

[Leslie]

Just got her passport two years ago.

Visited New York City for the first time last year.

Ready to be a world leader?

Seriously?

She's still ahead of Obama, and she's only headin' for the VP slot, not the P slot......

 

[Leslie]

And, part of the problem w/ Obama, IMHO, is that the world outside of the US wants him instead.....


I don't want a world leader, I want a US leader. The more people from outside the US push a particular choice for us, the more I suspect that that one wouldn't be the right one for us.

 

[montanablur]

Sinuhe, many of us have been to many corners of the world. It doesn't make any of us world leaders, by any means. I can't see why do you dislike her this much, and sure hope you realize that the number of sleazebags is very even between Republicans and Democrats. To tip the scale the Republican way (some), however, I'd mention Marion Barry and Kwame Kilpatrick (Ray Nagin will take his place, eventually).

I don't dislike her. I just think Senator McCain was reckless in his choice and AK did ask for opinions. I am simply backing up my statements. As both Mike's have stated no one is going to change their mind based on the postings here and that is why I have never defended Obama or the democrats, but to be on the offensive with such easy fodder is really irresistable.

 

[Tempest]

I go off for surgery to have some cancer removed this afternoon (seriously) and come back to this... damn... this thread is all over the place on several different debates...

Its actually refreshing (some frustrating) to read all the different view points...

I'm tired, but will stay up to hear what Palin has to say...

On a lighter note... did you hear that all the gun ammo in the state of Alabama was purchased recently? CNN interviewed one resident who said, "Russia may have invaded Georgia, but the hell if they are gonna take us"

 

[asmith996]

Holy Shit, Rundy is Killing Obama right now...anyone else wathing this?

 

[asmith996]

I go off for surgery to have some cancer removed this afternoon (seriously)

Hopefully that went well.