Oil Quiz.

DiscoveryXD

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Chris-St Louis said:
I used Rotella 15-40, and woudl advise just about everyone too use it. But let me at least tell you why.The HD Diels 15W-40 products have a High Temperature High Shear (HTHS) rating that is similar to the ACEA A3/B3, A3/B4 and C3 ratings. Plus, the ZDDP has been reduced making it safe for Cats and O2 sensor. Some guys think being a diesel 15W-40 oil is why the cams last longer,becuase it had hgiher ZDDP freaked when it was reduced,but the real difference is the HTHS and similar requirements.

SAE xx rates oil viscosity at 100C/212F

SAE xxW rates oil viscosity at one temperature that is well
below zero but varies depending on the rating (IE: -35)

HTHS rates oil viscosity and shear at 150C/302F

All SAE 0W-30,5W-30,10W-30,0W-40,5W-40 and 10W-40 ratings have the exact same minimum HTHS requirements. (2.9 at 150C/302F) . So a 10W-40 is NOT necessarily any thicker at 150C than a 0W-30.

An SAE 0W-30 that is also ACEA A3/B3, A3/B4 or C3 approved has a minimum HTHS requirement of 3.5 at 150C/302F

So an ACEA A3/B4 approved SAE 0W-30 is actually required to be much thicker at 150C/302F and provide far better HTHS shear protection than an SAE 10W-40 that is not ACEA A3/B4 approved is required to provide. YES, a 0W-30 can be thicker than a 10W-40!!!

SAE 15W-40 has special requirements that exceed the individual "15W" and "40". The include a minimum HTHS of 3.7 at 150C/302F.

Typical SAE 10W-40 and SAE 20W-50 products are discouraged by virtually EVERY OEM and they are not approved by any OEM for use in modern cars. So, many oil companies that make them use their cheapest base stocks in these products and the result is inferior protection when compared to other modern oil products. These 10W-40 and 20W-50 products do NOT share the ZDDP limits that the more common ILSAC approved 5W-30 and 5W-20 products have, but the absence of those strict ZDDP limits in 10W-40 and 20W-50 has not shown any real advantage in camshaft protection (or anything else).

The ACEA A3/B3, A3/B4 or C3 ratings will insure that the oil provides good protection under HTHS conditions. You can find these ratings in the Castrol Syntec 0W-30, Mobil 1 0W-40, Valvoline Synpower 5W-40 and other similar products. These products will be thin enough to allow the flow
required to flush away abrasives and will still provide the required high temperature high sheer protection. I like Rotella. It fits.

You will NOT find that approval in Mobil 1 5W-30, Mobil 1 10W-30, Mobil 1 0W-30, Castrol Syntec 5W-30, Valvoline Synpower 5W-30 or other seemingly similar products. These are NOT the correct oil products for with flat tappet lifters, like the Land Rover V8

BRAND MEANS NOTHING!!!!!!!! If you turn the bottle over and it does not say that it is ACEA A3/B3 (or A3/B4, or C3) approved, then it does NOT meet that approval!

So, using Mobil 1 is NOT the answer, using Castrol Syntec is NOT the answer, and using Valvoline Synpower is NOT the answer. Only certain products within those lines (and others) meet the requirements.

Anything that has ANY of the following approvals will NOT meet the requirements you need to protect the 1960s Tech, flat tappet lifters engine that Land Rover Used:

ACEA A1/B1, A5/B5, C1, C2 GM 6094M, 4718M ILSAC GF-4


The choice is yours. I like Rotella.

man, I don't know what to do now... I'm probably like everyone else wondering if I have been hurting my engine with mobil 1 while a diesel engine oil is the way to go...

here are the specs on Mobil 1 synthetic 10w30 from their website.

http://www.mobil.com/USA-English/Lubes/PDS/GLXXENPVLMOMobil_1_10W-30.asp

No ACEA A3/B3 (or A3/B4, or C3) on the specs... hmmmmmm....

So if I have been running mobil 1 10w30 the entire life of the engine, would switching to a non synthetic hurt? I need to change my oil soon, and I'm wondering if Rotella nn synthetic 15w40 is the right, or wrong choice.
 
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Jupiter Rover

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DiscoveryXD said:
man, I don't know what to do now... I'm probably like everyone else wondering if I have been hurting my engine with mobil 1 while a diesel engine oil is the way to go...

here are the specs on Mobil 1 synthetic 10w30 from their website.

http://www.mobil.com/USA-English/Lubes/PDS/GLXXENPVLMOMobil_1_10W-30.asp

No ACEA A3/B3 (or A3/B4, or C3) on the specs... hmmmmmm....

So if I have been running mobil 1 10w30 the entire life of the engine, would switching to a non synthetic hurt? I need to change my oil soon, and I'm wondering if Rotella nn synthetic 15w40 is the right, or wrong choice.

It will not hurt. Rotella 15w40 meets the specs.

I'm pretty sure Rotella synthetic 5w40 meets the specs too. Chris can double check, they don't post the 5w40 specs anywhere.. so I'm not 100%
 

msggunny

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Chris,

All i can say is well done, even if all the info you have posted is ass bleedingly painfull to read. It makes my eyes go cross..

Anyways, I am sure i have asked you this before but i will ask again.

Royal Purple 10 w40 or RP 15 W40?

Right now i am running RP 10w40 in both the D1 and the SIII. No issues with either and they seem to like it. There is a very strong possibility that i will be moving way up north and dealing with real winter for 5-6 months of the year, as well as east coast summers.

What would you reccomend?

I have been thinking about switching to Rottella 15/40 but havent gone that way yet.

Thanks man,

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msggunny

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gmookher said:
I wouldnt call 15/40 'winter oil' btw...

True, i should have been more specific.

I would be switching to something lighter for the winters. I should have specified that since i was looking for his reccomendations on it.

Word.
 
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msggunny said:
Chris,

All i can say is well done, even if all the info you have posted is ass bleedingly painfull to read. It makes my eyes go cross..

Anyways, I am sure i have asked you this before but i will ask again.

Royal Purple 10 w40 or RP 15 W40?

Right now i am running RP 10w40 in both the D1 and the SIII. No issues with either and they seem to like it. There is a very strong possibility that i will be moving way up north and dealing with real winter for 5-6 months of the year, as well as east coast summers.

What would you reccomend?

I have been thinking about switching to Rottella 15/40 but havent gone that way yet.

Thanks man,

Do you use your oil knowledge before you slip a roofie into a chicks drink or after?


Between Roofies (The wonder drug that works wonders!) and mad oil skillz, the bitches cannot resist ALL THIS!

The latest issue of "Lubricants and greases" showed up, she calls it my new porn.

(YES! There really is such a mag)

Let me give everyone a rule of thumb for Rover V8s.




There is no such thing is "Diesel" oil. There is no spec of "Diesel".

There IS, however oil that is SUITABLE for a diesel. Diesel has higher compression and spring rates, and needs a stronger oil "Cushion" to prevent the lifter from scraping off the oil and contacting the cam. This is where ZDDP came into play. If the lifter scraped the oil away, the lifter would hit the zinc and not the cams steel. Now, because we dont have ZDDP, we need to look for oil that will not scrape away.

The resistance to scraping is measures by a oils High Temp, High Sheer rating..(HTHS).

Oils suitable for diesels, with their higher spring rates SURELY can handle a Gas engines lessor rates. So, what oil is suitable for diesels...One with a HTHS of 3.5.

Does this mean oils with DIESEL on the label meet this? NO! Remember, the term Diesel is not a spec and has no meaning for us.

So, how do we know.

If we can get the Spec sheet, we can check. But, many oil companies will not share this data.

So, what then.... We can fall back to these bullet points...

ALL oils sold in the US with a API rated weight of 15-40 MUST meet a HTHS of at least 3.5. Thus, for a OHV Engine, this would give enoguh resistance to oil scraping.


This weight of this oil may not be practical in cold ambiant temps. Now what?


We know that a ACEA A3/B3 MUST be also at 3.5. So we can resort to that..

If we have a oil that is a 15-40 or A3/B3 we have a oil that has a high enough HTHS to protect our cams.

So, if we cannot confirm a HTHS of 3.5 on a spec sheet, and the oil does not meet acea a3/b3 (Not a1 or a2-must be 3) and the oil is not a 15-40, I woudl not use it in a Ohv engine like A Rover V8.
 
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MarkP

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So Mobil 1 High Mileage would work . . .



10W-30
ACEA A3/B3, A3/B4
HTHS Viscosity, mPa•s @ 150?C ASTM D 4683 3.66


10W-40
ACEA A3/B3,A3/B4
HTHS Viscosity, mPa•s @ 150?C ASTM D 4683 4.06


Both include ZDDP at 1000ppm
 
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That is fantastic oil! My concern is avalibity and cost. There are oils at teh zone that offer acceptable results at less cost.

That is a nice oil though!
 

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Chris-St Louis said:
That is fantastic oil! My concern is avalibity and cost. There are oils at teh zone that offer acceptable results at less cost.

That is a nice oil though!


Sorry a bit dizzy from reading this thread, if I was to try and not pay $80 for my oil shipped, what SYNTH should I be buying?

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My picks... Again, there are other choices, but base on performance,avaliblity and price I woudl pick. Again, these are CURRENT specs, they can change.

1) Mobil one Euro Formula 0-40.
2) Castrol 5-50 (COnfirm ACEA A3 rating on Bottle
3) Penzoil PLnium 5-40 (Again, confirm ACEA A3 even MORE so with this product. There are 2 different planiums)
 

gmookher

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well thanks alot for deciphering ! I know NONE of my local shops carry any of them; in a pinch I use mobil1...change promptly between 4k and 5k miles..K&N or OE filters only
 

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Chris-St Louis said:
My picks... Again, there are other choices, but base on performance,avaliblity and price I woudl pick. Again, these are CURRENT specs, they can change.

1) Mobil one Euro Formula 0-40.
2) Castrol 5-50 (COnfirm ACEA A3 rating on Bottle
3) Penzoil PLnium 5-40 (Again, confirm ACEA A3 even MORE so with this product. There are 2 different planiums)

Chris, why not Rotella Synthetic 5w40? I thought that had a HTHS >4??
 

msggunny

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Chris-St Louis said:

So from reading all this mind numbing info i gather that if i use a 15W40 during the summer and Mobile 1 High Mileage 10w30 during the winter this MAY be the best way to go?

Oddly enough i have a 55 gallon drum of 15W40, too bad its for my M1A1's.......
 

DiscoveryXD

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msggunny said:
So from reading all this mind numbing info i gather that if i use a 15W40 during the summer and Mobile 1 High Mileage 10w30 during the winter this MAY be the best way to go?

Oddly enough i have a 55 gallon drum of 15W40, too bad its for my M1A1's.......


I wish I could say that. :drool: