Three amigos reset tool

[ptschram]

Cool...most indy shop charge normally $95 and up just to use their Autologic so 200.00 is worth a shot.

LOL, if you had as much invested in the computers that I have, you'd charge $95 too:rofl:

The Autologic rep is coming to visit me on Thursday. I got my loan approved earlier today. Now to decide if I want the Autologic or the Faultmate.

Decisions, decisions, decisions...

I've used one of Storey's units, I would expect this one to work just as well as the one I used.

 

[stevo]

To Flyfisher11 and Stevo: Yours orders went out this morning. They should arrive on Thursday or Friday at the latest. Let me know if there are any questions or issues.

Cool. I've probably been in and had mine reset every 6-12 months since my 2nd year of ownership. Sensor here, sensor there, rought road, modulator electrical, etc etc. Nothing that ever seems to stick or be consistent - I suspect more of mine has to do with poor grounds/squeaky pads/whatever. Once mine starts getting more consistent then I will start replacing parts, until then I'm happy to just clear those intermittent gremlins....especially out on a trail - nothing worse than spending several hours driving, get to the park, get the 3 amigos an hour into the trails, and poof your weekend sucks from then on. I would love to be able to reset, finish my weekend, and diagnose later.

 

[JohnB]

Ahh, thought you were trying to be a smart ass.... my bad!

 

[disco2hunter]

I smell a group purchase. How many would it take to get the price down. I'm sure for the right price you could sell a shit load. It's a little steep now but in the $125 range you would find more takers. Let us know so we can sign up. Set some price levels based on quantites and set up a paypal account . I don't think anyone is ready until the fault code explanations exist anyway . I would guess you could sell upwards of at least a thousand to start with. I'm no math teacher but I think that's $125,000. Out of state purchase so you don't pay uncle sams greedy ass. Call it the 3 amigos anti-stimulus program so we can bail out the 3 mexicans living in our dash boards once and for all.

 

[Malafax_dand]

Oh,... I still pay Uncle Sam a considerable ammount of money. These tool are not cheap to make or cheap to develop. Here is a list of the potential faults that the ABS module can throw. This of course is also the list of faults the the ABS amigo can return.

This list might seem a bit large, but for the most part the ABS faults are simple to fix. Most faults are caused by an interrupt in one of the ABS sensors or a failure in the shuttle valve.

What ever the cause, I think it is better to be able to fix it yourself than take it to a dealership and pay 100 USD for just a fault clearing.


Description
Pump failure 1 (monitor line)
Pump failure 2 (pump not running when actuated)
Pump failure 3 (pump sticking).
Pump failure 4 (pump running when not actuated)
Shuttle valve switch long term failure
ECU internal valve relay fault
No battery supply voltage
PWM signal failure from engine ECU
ECU ground or Reference ground fault
ECU ground or Reference ground fault
Gear information not plausible
Front Right sensor offset voltage out of range
Front Right inlet valve open circuit
Front Right outlet valve open circuit
Front Left inlet valve open circuit
Front Left outlet valve open circuit
Rear Right inlet valve open circuit.
Rear Right outlet valve open circuit.
Rear Left inlet valve open circuit
Rear Left outlet valve open circuit
Pump relay open circuit
Brake light relay open circuit
Front Right sensor output too low
Rear Left sensor output too low
Front Left sensor output too low
Rear Right sensor output too low
Front Right inlet valve short to Ground
Front Right outlet valve short to Ground
Front Left inlet valve short to Ground
Front Left outlet valve short to Ground
Rear Right inlet valve short to Ground
Rear Right outlet valve short to Ground
Rear Left inlet valve short to Ground
Rear Left outlet valve short to Ground
Pump relay short to Ground
Brake light relay short to Ground
Front Right sensor electrical failure
Rear Left sensor electrical failure
Front Left sensor electrical failure
Rear Right sensor electrical failure
Front Right inlet valve short to internal supply
Front Right outlet valve short to internal supply
Front Left inlet valve short to internal supply
Front Left outlet valve short to internal supply
Rear Right inlet valve short to internal supply
Rear Right outlet valve short to internal supply
Rear Left inlet valve short to internal supply
Rear Left outlet valve short to internal supply
Pump relay short to internal supply
Brake light relay short to internal supply
Front Right inlet valve drive short to Supply
Front Right outlet valve drive short to Supply
Front Left inlet valve drive short to Supply
Front Left outlet valve drive short to Supply
Rear Right inlet valve drive short to Supply
Rear Right outlet valve drive short to Supply
Rear Left inlet valve drive short to Supply
Rear Left outlet valve drive short to Supply
Pump relay drive short to Supply
Brake light relay drive short to Supply
Sticking throttle detected
Shuttle valve single switch sticking
Internal ECU communication error

 

[Joe's Disco]

Do you give the codes that throw for each of those?

 

[stolenheron]

if this product does work, and they do sell well, an LCD screen to display a code number/description would be awesome (similar to many of the OBD2 port scanners out there), however, obviously prices would jump up even more so.

i hope this works, hopefully there will be plenty of time testing this product before i get the amigos

 

[Malafax_dand]

The ABS amigo can retreive each of those code from the ABS computer. When the codes are pulled from the ABS computer, they are stored internally in the ABS amigo. When the ABS amigo is plugged into a USB port, a USB flash drive is created. Contained on the USB flash drive, is a log of the fault codes pulled from the ABS. The flash drive contains a text file with the fault codes. All the fault codes can be read in plain english.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPTg1GIkryc

In addition to displaying the fault codes in a text file, the ABS amigo also keeps a record of the last three sets of fault codes read. This helps diagnose the fault codes and make sense of the fault codes.

I had seriously considered an LCD model, but LCD screens have some serious draw backs. The do add cost. They greatly increase the complexity of the deivce. LCDs also usually require buttons which also increase cost and complexity. They also do not work at all in cold temperatures. The cold usually renders a LCD device useless.

I purposefully desigend the ABS amigo to need no user interaction. Anyone can use this device in almost any condition. Just plug the ABS amigo in to the OBDII port and the ABS faults are read and cleared. No complications, just plug it in and get on your way.

 

[BackInA88]

Storey,

I am sure you will have to explain how this works a hundred more times at least some people either can't read and understand or are just not listening. That alone is worth you asking price.
I think your concept is good and at a good price point.
After all you have gone through all the trouble to developed a unit for a very small market.

Let's face it most LR owners don't even know where the OBDII plug is let alone what is for so their not going to buy one. And the rest wouldn't get their hands dirty working on a truck, that would be below their status in life, they'll take it in regardless of the cost.
Owners like most of the ones the come to this site and sites like this are a every small percentage of LR owners. With such a small customer base I don't know how you will recoup your investment?

Storey, if your product $10 and was able to reset and display the codes from the comfort of ones living room chair and display the codes on their big screen TV there would still be people telling you how you could have done better! And still want a group purchase!


BTW I will be ordering one!


Steve

 

[rovercanus]

From reading some of these responses it has become apparent to me that some people here are to ignorant to use this tool properly and to cheap to pay a decent price for it.
Good luck Storey, sounds like a great product that will save people a lot of time, trouble and money.

 

[BackInA88]

From reading some of these responses it has become apparent to me that some people here are to ignorant to use this tool properly and to cheap to pay a decent price for it.
Good luck Storey, sounds like a great product that will save people a lot of time, trouble and money.

That's what I said, just nicer!


Steve

 

[jymmiejamz]

I can't even begin to comprehend how you figured out how to get this device to work with a DII, but have you ever considered trying to reverse engineer a T4 or IDS interface? The software is cheap and readily available, but the interfaces for either device are very expensive. It would be great to have a T4 or IDS for under $500. On ebay you can get an IDS VCM for $900 and from Omnitec (the makers of T4) you can get the interface for about $1500.

I'd also just like to point out that if there is a situation that it is too cold for an LCD screen to work then you probably won't have a computer handy to properly diagnose the faults stored in the ABS Amigo. Cheers for making a brilliant little device.

 

[Malafax_dand]

Thank you for the positive feedback. It is always difficult to get a product into the market palce. I had a tough time with the EAS Buddy Box. But it turns out that Land Rover owners are generally great people and fun to work with. I have not had a single problem with over 1000 customers all over the world in the last year. I would have expected some people to try and rip me off, but everyone has been great to work with.

I will be a sponser and vendoer at the 2009 Solihull Society Rally. Hopefully I will meet some of youall there.

 

[stevo]

Ok, well it arrived in the mail today, I was like a kid in a candystore.


Opened it up and headed out to my truck......

.......now this is where it gets extremely tricky:

1. Turn the ignition key to position II,
2. Plug in the Amigo, wait for a green blinking light.
3. Unplug the amigo, turn off the key.
4. Start the truck and drive over the 5-10 MPH to reset the ABS light.
5. Go inside and drink a beer.

The last pic I took with the front right tire lifted off the ground with a floor jack, put it in gear and gave a touch of throttle to see if the TC would kick in and it did and nearly pushed it off the jack.

Read the faults on the pc, had two stored faults for:

022:ECU Gnd or Reference Gnd fault
I'm going to check the grounds on the firewall and do some research. Last time they reset it I had right front sensor and something else.

Works great!

Steve

 

[Springsroverfamily]

I just took mine into the local INDi shop they hooked it up to the computer and there were no codes. My three amigos come on in icy and cold conditions. He told me that it could possibly be a bad ground maybe a loose connection. When they do come on if I shut the vehicle off they reset every time. Where can I find the diagram so I can look throught all of the connections.

 

[rovercanus]

I just took mine into the local INDi shop they hooked it up to the computer and there were no codes. My three amigos come on in icy and cold conditions. He told me that it could possibly be a bad ground maybe a loose connection. When they do come on if I shut the vehicle off they reset every time. Where can I find the diagram so I can look throught all of the connections.

RAVE.

 

[stevo]

There was a TSB on the ground connections (apparently LR though many of the modulator faults were due to this), but the link I had for the TSB is now dead. Search around. I think they ground to the body/chassis up near the airbox (I said firewall earlier, but I don't think that is correct), and there is a single ground wire on the modulator itself. May or may not be the issue, YMMV.

Steve

 

[rmuller]

For anyone interested in buying one, check this thread; http://www.landroversonly.com/forums/f40/group-buy-abs-scanner-29907/#6 .... he's doing a groupbuy with some good pricing breaks if enough people jump on.

 

[stevo]

found another link for the ground strap TSB

http://www.nettechy.com/LRabsBulletin.pdf

 

[matt marquardt]

Thanks for the link. It gives me hope that maybe they'll go away. Kinda like lottery ticket hope.