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p m said:
Paul - for how much can one get a Salisbury?
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If I had the $15K, I'd have 10 fronts and ten rears.

The three I got, I was in the right place at the right time and got them right. I'm still looking for a front Salisbury from an armored 110, a Shorland, or a 101 FC.

There are 20 in the UK, but the owner won't split them up and he isn't particularly interested in shipping. Neither of my agents in the UK have suitable vehicles for hauling 20 to the port.

I've got a Dana 50 center section that's disassembled waiting for me to have the $ to have it tubed so I can have a front that hopefully won't break.
 
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roverover said:
And they are big and bulky many call them a plow.
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That is an interesting comment.
How heavy is a Salisbury rear end compared to D1/RRC rear?
The weight numbers for D60 axles vary, but seem to be around 500lbs. I'd guess a narrower Salisbury with disk brakes should be a little lighter, say, around 450lbs.
I don't know the weight of a D1/RRC rear axle, but from my experience of swapping out a D44 for RRC axle in my jeep, I'd guess between 300 and 350 lbs.
Is extra 100-150lbs a lot?
Speaking of ground clearance, yeah, it'll suck a little bit - but I won't have as much fear dragging it over rocks.
 
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what is an ashcroft carrier? This is a toyota 3rd, not rover

If I had my way it would be ARB's, but this is a cheaper alternative.
 
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p m said:
That is an interesting comment.
How heavy is a Salisbury rear end compared to D1/RRC rear?
The weight numbers for D60 axles vary, but seem to be around 500lbs. I'd guess a narrower Salisbury with disk brakes should be a little lighter, say, around 450lbs.
I don't know the weight of a D1/RRC rear axle, but from my experience of swapping out a D44 for RRC axle in my jeep, I'd guess between 300 and 350 lbs.
Is extra 100-150lbs a lot?
Speaking of ground clearance, yeah, it'll suck a little bit - but I won't have as much fear dragging it over rocks.
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I didn't say they were heavy I said they were big and bulky. To me to increase the strength so I can run bigger tires and not gain much in clearance seems a waste. If you want to spend a lot and gain clearance do a 9" or just do the Toy and run as big of a tire as a Disco will allow anyway.
 
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haven't heard of them before. Maybe I'll look into it for the front, I don't anticipate unlocking the rear much once in low range.
 
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roverover said:
I didn't say they were heavy I said they were big and bulky. To me to increase the strength so I can run bigger tires and not gain much in clearance seems a waste. If you want to spend a lot and gain clearance do a 9" or just do the Toy and run as big of a tire as a Disco will allow anyway.
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What I was looking for is a close-to-native conversion that doesn't require much work. I've done one non-native complete axle swap, and that involved re-doing pretty much everything - springs, steering links, driveline, brakes, etc.; if a Salisbury rear swap is not feasible due to whatever reasons, I'll just live with the junk I have.
 
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robertf said:
haven't heard of them before. Maybe I'll look into it for the front, I don't anticipate unlocking the rear much once in low range.
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Ashcroft is only Rover at this time and if you do Toy then the ARB is your best bet I was in several conversations at the same time and see I was incorrect in what I had said

As far as the convenient, easy and reasonably inexpensive way to go is the Ashcroft axles, gears and carriers especially over the D60 setup IMHO
 
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detroit rear, or heck get a cheap lunchbox locker.

fwiw, the e-locker is fine. but if you do elocker, you cannot swap the carrier for any other locker. i think you can do some sort of LSD hybrid using a supra diff, but not certain..........

edit, the only reused mounting on my axle swap is the front panhard mounts on both axle and frame. lined up perfect for a d2.
oh and spring perches on the frame.

I did use off the shelf toyota length tie rod and drag links as well as modifying the pitman arm to fit a toyota tre.

was it worth it? absolutely. I would 4 link the rear next time instead of the a-arm i made.... this is why: toy mini on right, fzj80 on left
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p m said:
That is an interesting comment.
How heavy is a Salisbury rear end compared to D1/RRC rear?
The weight numbers for D60 axles vary, but seem to be around 500lbs. I'd guess a narrower Salisbury with disk brakes should be a little lighter, say, around 450lbs.
I don't know the weight of a D1/RRC rear axle, but from my experience of swapping out a D44 for RRC axle in my jeep, I'd guess between 300 and 350 lbs.
Is extra 100-150lbs a lot?
Speaking of ground clearance, yeah, it'll suck a little bit - but I won't have as much fear dragging it over rocks.
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I haven't shaved my rear axle yet but so far, it hasn't been a problem running 35s.

The biggest problem I had was with the rear driveshaft. AFAIK, Rover never made a 100 WB truck with a rear Salisbury, as a result, I had to make my own.

Salisbury axle shafts in the rear are quite a bit larger than the Rover stuff, I was kinda shocked when I tore one apart to inspect a leaking wheel cylinder (I've got everything but the calipers to do a disc swap, considering D90 front calipers in the back as well).

My goal was to NEVER have to worry about breaking a diff, axle, or bending another axle housing. I think I've met those requirements, and, I can get inner parts dirt cheap at Napa, Moser, Summit, Jeg's, etc. I recognize I'll have some $ in a front axle, but I'd have that any direction I went. By using the Dana stuff, I'm being loyal to my hometown (;-) and getting stuff that's strong and dirt cheap.
 
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Driveshaft is a $150-200 piece of cake, as long as the axle pinion yoke is not for some obscure joint.

And, come to think of it, you could have been loyal to your hometown if you sourced and built up a pair of Dana 44s from a '73 - 79 Wagoneer or narrow-track Cherokee. Same width, diff offset differs by about 1". In a Classic, D44 with Moser axleshafts and Rover engine won't have any problems with 35s. I did break a D44 rear axleshaft once with 35" tires, but it was with the 5000-lb truck trying to lift itself by one rear wheel, with plenty of torque from the engine.
 
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machine work done, except for pinion flanges. I'll figure that out once everything else is installed.

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