Whats a good pepper spray for dogs?

bri

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I would agree with you on that, the owner helps the dog adhere to it's full potential, but the breed helps identify the potential personality.

The AKC list are all middle of the road breeds for activity, exercise, grooming and smarts. To me the standard poodles could make great dogs but you must deal with their constant need for attention, personally I like it when my dog bothers me. He basically says stop watching TV and take me on a walk. Pretty cool IMO.

Don't get me wrong. I really like standard poodles. Just would never put them on the list as a great all around breed or family dog. Niether would I do this for either of the breeds I do own. Lab and Golden are the only two that I would recommend and even then, you can get bad individuals.
 

MM3846

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I take my pit mix for a long walk every night, We always come across a guy walking his golden retriever, and every time that golden charges my dog.. My dog once again goes the other way and gives him space without so much as a bark.
But if someone tries to come into the house or if a stranger approaches he gets VERY protective. Ive owned pure breed dogs my whole life, this Pit mix has been the best dog Ive ever had.. In fact I doubt I would ever own anything but a pit mix from now on.

Sounds exactly how mine behaves. Only time he gets protective is if he is inside and hears someone outside doing something he deems "not normal," or if I'm outside in the yard with him and someone approaches the property and I haven't noticed.
 

bri

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You won't hurt my feelings, this is generally the response i get from pit bull proponents.

back in my riding days iI had to deal with a couple packs of white trash backwoods mountains dogs . I got bit so after that iI fought back, they figured out eventually that chasing me was a bad idea.

No proponent at all. Just trying to make sure that people do not listen to your advice on dogs.

you don't see that a lab or rottweiler killed a child on the evening news.

Actually you do. Rottweiler and Pit bull tend to be the 2 most likely dogs to bite and cause a trip to hospital or fatality.
 

brian4d

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because it would get eaten.

In order to understand breeds (I don't think you have a Pit and know you were not being literal) I think it's important to describe this in it's entirety.

A Pit would not eat another dog. A Pit would use it's muscular head and jaw to bite the small dogs neck until it snapped, or attack the underside of the dog leaving it for dead. This is extremely easy for a pit and should not be taken lightly. It's not the dogs fault it's a good killer, but that's just the way it is. This seems grim but a good understanding of your breed and anatomy is great information for all dog owners.

Source:

I watch Dogs 101
 

K-rover

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This may seem silly but Ceasar Millan, the Dog whisperer can teach you the proper way to train and take care of a dog.. Especially powerful breeds. He also points to the owners as the main reason for bad dogs. If your dog doesnt respect and trust you, then you wont ever be able to control him/her.
 

DiscoPhoto

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I disagree. According to you a great dog is one you have to worry about if you don't give it something else, that's bullshit.

A great dog is protective, loyal, smart and friendly - - but aggressive when it absolutely has to be. Problem is Pit Bulls will snap in a second, even after 10 years of being a perfect dog, I've seen it happen. Don't get me wrong any dog breed can snap but it's particularly bad when the breed that snaps skull is full of muscle for the sole purpose of fucking something up. You want a good all around breed I'd say a Border Collie (if you can handle it), Yellow Lab or my favorite a standard poodle. There are many more all around great dogs but a pit does not meet this criteria by any means. Just my .2.

Funny.. I don't disagree with you, but a border collie attacked my newfie several months ago.

They are very smart dogs, this one is just particularly an asshole(has attacked 4-5 other dogs.)

We used to have a pit here, it bit one of the employees and was put down
 

Levi

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This may seem silly but Ceasar Millan, the Dog whisperer can teach you the proper way to train and take care of a dog.. Especially powerful breeds. He also points to the owners as the main reason for bad dogs. If your dog doesnt respect and trust you, then you wont ever be able to control him/her.

It's not silly, Cesar is awesome! I've read one of his books and am in the middle of another.

In one chapter he discusses aggression and talks about how it isn't a natural state of mind. He states that almost all dogs are born balanced and if not they would be killed by the pack in nature. Aggression simply isn't allowed by a balanced pack and it is people who screw them up. He also talks about how the way dogs are treated in America makes it worse.
 

kennith

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First mistake, comparing dogs to kids. Good/Great dogs breeds can be trained to a T, where kids and adults can deviate from their learned behavior and pick up new traits out of nowhere, we think for ourselves. Again, great breeds you should not have to worry about snapping when you don't give it something. The most you should be concerned with is your dog becoming antsy or restless, they'll get over it. Can't believe you made that comparison.

https://youtu.be/mTTuiE1_Oe8?t=152

Yup, I made the comparison to illustrate a point. Don't pull it too thin.

Maintaining such an animal is not difficult. Let it be a part of the family. They need to feel like they belong. There is nothing wrong with that. If you can't provide that environment, buy a fish.

People leave these dogs chained up in the back yard, and only walk them for maintenance, or only let them in on occasion, and surround them with scolding the entire time.

A Pit Bull is a curious, intelligent, sociable animal by nature. They want to belong, and they need a bit of room to be themselves. If cared for properly, you'll end up with a great family pet. If cared for exceptionally, you'll end up with a four legged comedian that thinks it's a puppy at ten years of age.

Half the damned problem with dogs is all the training to create perfect behavior. They aren't machines.

The aforementioned Jesse is a prime example of someone encouraging and training polite and acceptable behavior, but allowing the damned thing to be a dog; and a happy one, at that.

This is perhaps the most misunderstood and yet still deadly breed one might encounter, and yet it's the most enthusiastic, polite, and entertaining dog I've ever known.

If you want a dog to snap, leave it alone too much, or train it too hard. Unfortunately, that's what people do with Pit Bulls that make the news.

Cheers,

Kennith
 

brian4d

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If you want a dog to snap, leave it alone too much, or train it too hard. Unfortunately, that's what people do with Pit Bulls that make the news.

Cheers,

Kennith

That's the problem with dog ownership, everyone else does it wrong.

I agree with the above but IMO you have missed a huge (if not the biggest) contributing factor to dogs snapping.

Foreign/unsettling Environment.

Have you ever moved to a new home with a dog you've had for 10+ years? They vomit, squirt/shit, pace around and hide for weeks after you move in. Unfamiliar environment/situations cause dogs stress and anxiety just like humans. This combined with protecting the owner, leaving alone a long time (our poodle hates us for this and makes it known), over training and of course abusing all contribute to dogs snapping. If you see signs of a stressed dog it's best to just leave well enough alone until it passes.
 

Ed Cheung

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I would say 90% is up to the owner, not all dogs are/can be train in the same way. Some is easier and some is not, simple as that.
 

kennith

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That's the problem with dog ownership, everyone else does it wrong.

I agree with the above but IMO you have missed a huge (if not the biggest) contributing factor to dogs snapping.

Foreign/unsettling Environment.

Have you ever moved to a new home with a dog you've had for 10+ years? They vomit, squirt/shit, pace around and hide for weeks after you move in. Unfamiliar environment/situations cause dogs stress and anxiety just like humans. This combined with protecting the owner, leaving alone a long time (our poodle hates us for this and makes it known), over training and of course abusing all contribute to dogs snapping. If you see signs of a stressed dog it's best to just leave well enough alone until it passes.

This is all true, though sometimes an environment is an obvious improvement for everyone, and dogs feel it.

Cheers,

Kennith
 

bri

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I've never had problems moving with dogs.

I don't believe that a good owner can fix a bad dog.

I think defensiveness of the dog and need to protect their territory is the primary cause of a snap. Especially if there is no escape, like they are indoors, chained up or on lead.

My experience is that dogs are more timid when they are in a foriegn environment and more agressive in their own territory. It is a generally accepted practice when socializing dogs to not do it in one of their territories for this specific reason.
 

jhmover

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The most vicious animal I have ever ran across was a kitten my ex-wife's parents had. This little fucker had the crazed look of someone who'd been tweaking for a month solid and would instantly attack anything that moved. Ferocious little shit. I never found out what happened to him but I'd bet her dad probably finally had enough and punted him into next week.
 

brian4d

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The most vicious animal I have ever ran across was a kitten my ex-wife's parents had. This little fucker had the crazed look of someone who'd been tweaking for a month solid and would instantly attack anything that moved. Ferocious little shit. I never found out what happened to him but I'd bet her dad probably finally had enough and punted him into next week.

*relevant

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ubQxtEukvw
 

rover4x4

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http://www.dogsbite.org/dog-bite-statistics-study-dog-attacks-and-maimings-merritt-clifton.php

A cursory google search.

I knew a Rottweiler (Amber) that would attack the TV if animal planet was on, she was a real bitch but I loved her. She would eat any tire and especially like lawnmowers and wheelbarrows. Amber would attack most any dog in her area, the owners would muzzle her or keep her on a harness and leash when she was in public. She was trained up for Schutzhund work, it was a lot of fun to put on the bite sleeve and let her chase you down. She was a real liability and the owners handled her in such a manner she couldnt hurt anyone.

I guess I have spent time around "dangerous" dogs mostly this particular Rotty. her mom was a couch potato that would only get shitty if you approached her vehicle. Amber lived with a Cocker Spaniel and a German Shepard, the Cocker bit a few folks. The GS was the biggest pussy ever and wouldn't bite a flea, he was one of the most well trained and obedient dogs Ive ever encountered.

Dogs are wonderful creatures, its negligent owners that suck. Pit Bulls and all their variants are still worthless killing machines.
 

MM3846

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Pit Bulls and all their variants are still worthless killing machines.

cold-blooded killer right here. :rolleyes:

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