McCain VP- Sarah Palin

[HunterAK]

Misfiling of financial reports may be corruption to some, but it is not bribery.

In my book, being bribed for votes equates to corruption. We have legislators on tape directly accepting cash bribes for votes. This is corruption at its worst. Filing "false" financial disclosures can be explained and defining it as corruption before the facts come out is not acceptable. He could've had aides filing those reports who f-d it up before he even had a chance to look at it. Maybe not. I dunno.

Being caught on tape saying I will vote for this if you give me $30,000 in cash cannot be explained and can be immediately defined as corruption...

We will see what happens.

 

[RBBailey]

Ah yes. Guns and alcohol. What better way to run a country?

Have you only now caught on?

About the corruption issue: The first thought that went through my head was not surprise that some republican or democrat got busted, my first thought was something like; So, it's not that he's taking gifts for political favors, it's that he didn't properly report the gifts.... how many others are taking these gifts, and why isn't just taking the gift against the law?

To me, the fact that our legislators can accept any gifts is one of the cornerstones of the problems we have in this country.

 

[MarkP]

This is really exposing the bias of the LSM and Democrats. I would be very careful with any anti-Palin material because the long knives are out. Liberals view Palin as a very dangerous candidate. Even Camile Paglia knows it:

Camille Paglia: “Palin is as Tough as Nails…”

“We may be seeing the first woman president. As a Democrat, I am reeling . . . That was the best political speech I have ever seen delivered by an American woman politician. [Sarah] Palin is as tough as nails… Good Lord, we had barely 12 hours of Democrat optimism… It was a stunningly timed piece of PR by the Republicans.” — Camille Paglia​

An example of leftist attacks that turn out to be false is the recent front page NYT article:

Alaska Party Official Says Palin Was Not a Member
The New York Times ^ | September 2, 2008 | staff

The chairwoman of an Alaskan political party that advocates a vote on the state’s succession from the union said Tuesday that she had been mistaken when she said Gov. Sarah Palin was a member of the group.

A front-page story in The New York Times on Tuesday and articles in other news media reported that Ms. Palin was a member of the Alaska Independence Party for two years in the 1990’s. . .​

or you can read The View on Palin from an Alaskan Anti-Real ID Activist and Democrat for a perspective that paints a picture of Republicans who hate Palin. A Democrat who says " Sarah Palin has been a pretty freaking awesome governor. "

As for tax increases of 38% I believe the town increased roughly 35%. When you hear numbers of Palin's performance quoted without context, dig a little deeper because you'll probably find an agenda.

Or the Bridge to Nowhere that was actually just one project in several infrastructure projects. When campaigning her statements can be viewed as positions on ALL the projects. You will only hear of one, by design.

I'm more inclined to believe those who actually lay out a timeline of events vs. echo Obama's LSM talking points.

 

[montanablur]

Wrong. Stevens is not being indicted on corruption charges. Do your homework before you pretend to know what you're talking about montanablur. I mean really... No, go ahead. Get on the google search and do some reading and then get back to us when you've got it straight. It's an issue of financial disclosures.

Palin Took Campaign Funds From Contributor in Stevens? Corruption Case

You do some homework... No wolf petting, twig eating, Prius driving, liberal news outlet there and the first to pop up when googling "stevens corruption"

And LET'S be realistic, John McCain was a POW for over 5 years and served this country well. He is not a "good ole boy" go-with-the-mainstream republican candidate. He is by in large the best choice for America. Age means nothing here and its all you've got to grasp onto. It's weak and a pathetic position that you're willing take. Get a grip. Character is everything and his reputation in that regard is unmatched. I mean really...

With all due respect to Senator McCain for his service and valor to our nation, WTF does being a POW have to do with being a leader?

As for Palin, she has served the State of Alaska well and has been a VERY strong willed Governor who has proven to stand up to those who otherwise would normally get there way. No.... Really.

Wow, in two years she has done enough to make you feel that if, heaven forbid, John McCain's melanoma came back and took him out you would feel confident in her running America? With her vast experience overseeing 4,000+ National Guard Troops and a state with a population of 650,000+/- people... Really?

His choice of Palin was clearly a move to pander to the disenfranchised women voters that may feel slighted by the Hillary loss and the Evangelical Conservative base.

Please... :thehand:

 

[MarkP]

Here we see Obama is behind the knives even though publicly he is calling for his minions to cease and desist.

Figures... Obama Camp Behind Palin Smears

The Obama Campaign is now admitting to being behind the inaccurate Sarah Palin smears. . . .​

Is Obama running against McCain or Palin?

 

[montanablur]

The chairwoman of an Alaskan political party that advocates a vote on the state?s succession from the union said Tuesday that she had been mistaken when she said Gov. Sarah Palin was a member of the group.

A front-page story in The New York Times on Tuesday and articles in other news media reported that Ms. Palin was a member of the Alaska Independence Party for two years in the 1990?s. . . [/INDENT]

or you can read The View on Palin from an Alaskan Anti-Real ID Activist and Democrat for a perspective that paints a picture of Republicans who hate Palin. A Democrat who says " Sarah Palin has been a pretty freaking awesome governor. "

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHFY1otOWjQ

Skip ahead to the 6 minute mark...

Here is the text:

"Our current governor, we mentioned at the last conference, the one we were hoping would get elected, Sarah Palin, did get elected. There's a joke, she's a pretty good looking gal, there's a joke goes around we're the coldest state with the hottest governor. And there was a lot of talk about her moving up. She was an AIP member before she got the job as a mayor of a small town -- that was a non-partisan job. But you get along to go along -- she eventually joined the Republican Party, where she had all kinds of problems with their ethics, and well, I won't go into that. She also had about an 80% approval rating, and is pretty well sympathetic to her former membership."

 

[MarkP]

Palin Took Campaign Funds From Contributor in Stevens’ Corruption Case

The AP article goes on the say that the contributions were not illegal and that "The donations aren’t evidence of corruption and Palin is not among the lawmakers under investigation". So why tie Palin to Stevens in the headline?

The article goes on to paint Palin as a Republican insider but this Democrat (The View on Palin from an Alaskan Anti-Real ID Activist and Democrat) says Repulicans hate her and he hopes she returns to Alaska.

Mmmmm . . . . since Democrats can't agree on Palin the AP article smells like Obama's MSM.

 

[montanablur]

Here we see Obama is behind the knives even though publicly he is calling for his minions to cease and desist.

Figures... Obama Camp Behind Palin Smears

The Obama Campaign is now admitting to being behind the inaccurate Sarah Palin smears. . . .​

Is Obama running against McCain or Palin?

Sorry, but blogs are just not reliable sources for facts. Opinions, yes.

 

[MarkP]

. . . She was an AIP member before she got the job as a mayor of a small town . . .

I guess you missed this:

The information in the Times article was based on a statement issued Monday night by Lynette Clark, the party’s chairwoman, who said that Ms. Palin joined the party in 1994 and in 1996 changed her registration to Republican.

. . .

The chairwoman of an Alaskan political party that advocates a vote on the state’s succession from the union said Tuesday that she had been mistaken when she said Gov. Sarah Palin was a member of the group.​

Mistaken? :rofl: And where did this come from? Obama's minions.

 

[MarkP]

Sorry, but blogs are just not reliable sources for facts. Opinions, yes.

Neither is Obama's MSM.

 

[jammin]

Oh, he just "forgot" to report large gifts from a potential benefactor, violating a law that he himself originally co-sponsored?

OK, maybe. Benefit of a doubt, innocent until proven guilty. But to say the ultimate issue isn't one based on suspiscion of corruption is kinda splitting hairs, if you ask me.

A bit of history... one of the oilmen involved in the Teapot Dome scandal (I think Harry Sinclair) used to play poker all of the time with politicians. Maybe not a big deal... but the interesting part is that he always coincidentally lost (wink, wink) large sums to those in positions to make decisions he would benefit from.

Illegal? No. Technically a bribe? No. But does it smell like one? Oh, yeah. (Ultimately he did serve time for bribery, but not over the money he lost to anyone in those infamous poker games.)

Not reporting large gifts from a party that might benefit from being on your good side? Not technicaly a bribe, but it sure smells like one. He was indicted for not following a reporting rule, but the purpose of that reporting rule is to sniff out bribery. Especially the sneaky indirect kind.

So while you are correct that he has yet to be accused directly of bribery, the issue of corruption is definitely on the table.

So what if it isn't as blatant as others? As far as I'm concerned, accepting those gifts is questionable and smells like potential corruption, whether they were reported or not. And whether they were legal or not. The fact that they weren't reported just makes it smell even fishier.

Where are these oilmen that hand out home improvement gifts to people not in a position to give them what they want? Sure wish I could find me one, because I could really use a new fence. I'd like the floor in my downstairs bathroom replaced, too. Just send me a PM, mister moneybags, and hook me up!

 

[montanablur]

I guess you missed this:

The information in the Times article was based on a statement issued Monday night by Lynette Clark, the party?s chairwoman, who said that Ms. Palin joined the party in 1994 and in 1996 changed her registration to Republican.

. . .

The chairwoman of an Alaskan political party that advocates a vote on the state?s succession from the union said Tuesday that she had been mistaken when she said Gov. Sarah Palin was a member of the group.​

Mistaken? :rofl: And where did this come from? Obama's minions.

Did you see this post? It's fine if NYT mistakes it sources but I have provided visual proof...

Oh they must have just made that up? Or maybe Obamas minions are in that meeting?

 

[MarkP]

Did you see this post?

So why would the AIP chairwomen say that they had been mistaken when they said Gov. Sarah Palin was a member of the group? They guy speaking in your video is reading from notes. His notes were generated by who? The chair has admitted Palin was not a member. Even the NYT's has published the retraction.

 

[MarkP]

. . . His choice of Palin was clearly a move to pander to the disenfranchised women voters that may feel slighted by the Hillary loss and the Evangelical Conservative base.. . .

The P.U.M.A's are a plus but not the target. Palin is much more important in PA and OH. You know, those bitter people that cling to their guns. You think Palin might resonate with them? A populist Governor?

You think PA and OH might be important in this race?

A good perspective, again, from the Left.

The Case Against the Case Against Palin
TNR

 

[montanablur]

Why indeed...

NYT printed a retraction to their sources not that she wasn't a member.

But hey, Senator McCain's judgment and critical decision making skills as a possible president has lead to her. This will surely be a test of those skills...

Right now Intrade is marking her with 10% chance of withdrawing, but it is on it's way up... Intrade predicted Joe Biden would be Barack Obama's running mate in August and its traders were also correct about every Senate race in 2006.

 

[HunterAK]

Wow, in two years she has done enough to make you feel that if, heaven forbid, John McCain's melanoma came back and took him out you would feel confident in her running America? With her vast experience overseeing 4,000+ National Guard Troops and a state with a population of 650,000+/- people... Really?

His choice of Palin was clearly a move to pander to the disenfranchised women voters that may feel slighted by the Hillary loss and the Evangelical Conservative base.

Please... :thehand:

WTF makes you feel Obama has the necessary experience genius? Please, do tell. Or better yet, let his running mate Biden speak to it, because when he was vying for the same position Obama is now in, he criticized Obama on national television for not being ready to lead or having enough experience. You still haven't commented on that and I've posted the link twice. It's funny how you dems are so outspoken about "controversy" when it doesn't apply to the people you're backing. I'd love to hear your explanation about what your boy Biden was thinking when he made those comments and what it means to the democratic ticket. How can you choose someone to back you up who criticized you publicly without people thinking that it was "clearly a move" to propel him into the White House. I wouldn't let anyone talk shit about me and then ask them to be my running mate.

http://www.rightupfront.org/2008/08/joe-biden-obama-not-ready-to-lead.html

Speak up.

Be careful on the experience issue, you will eat your own words montana.

 

[gmookher]

its like Oprah as VP FOR steve young running for office....Her having a kid who served is about as relevant as fat boy at DAP driving a rover

This is a disgrace. Obama is a politician. Sarah is not. What is she, Canadian?

 

[HunterAK]

With all due respect to Senator McCain for his service and valor to our nation, WTF does being a POW have to do with being a leader?

At least you can muster up some decency inside you to have a little "respect" for Sen. McCain and the adversity and sacrifices he endured during his time as a POW.

Where is Mike (Flyfisher) when I need him here....

Ahhh hell, I'll give it a shot since you're so in the dark here montana.

What the Fuck does being a POW have to do with being a leader Montana? How about I break both your arms and torture you for 5 years and then give you an opportunity to walk away and go home to your family? McCain REFUSED to leave because his fellow soldiers, his fellow Americans, who had been there longer than him were still in captivity and weren't being released as well. And when they dragged him back to his cell, he called out to each one of them to keep their spirits up.

5 years Montana.

Now you tell me how that experience wouldn't somehow translate into being a leader for America, the largest defenders of freedom on this planet? A country who needs someone to pull us all together and break down party lines to reveal the fact that behind our party affiliation, we are just Americans. His fellow POW's could have been Independents, Republicans, Democrats, muslims, whatever. Do you think it mattered to him at that time?

This is the kind of person we need in office.
atriot:

 

[HunterAK]

its like Oprah as VP FOR steve young running for office....Her having a kid who served is about as relevant as fat boy at DAP driving a rover

This is a disgrace. Obama is a politician. Sarah is not. What is she, Canadian?

Saying Sarah Palin is a disgrace to our country is like saying ANYONE on this board listens to a fucking word you say when it comes to Rover maintenance.

I don't know you, but I've seen your ass go down in flames multiple times.

There's an Obama thread on here somewhere, go find it and post your nonsense over there.

 

[montanablur]

WTF makes you feel Obama has the necessary experience genius?

http://www.rightupfront.org/2008/08/joe-biden-obama-not-ready-to-lead.html

Speak up.

Be careful on the experience issue, you will eat your own words montana.

Last I checked this was a thread about Palin, not Obama or Biden.

I'm happy that you are supportive of your lady. I don't think she was a good choice.

As far as experience, she has a very limited experience in a small state. That is a fact not an opinion, so I'm afraid I will have to chew on something else.