McCain VP- Sarah Palin

[jammin]

At least you can muster up some decency inside you to have a little "respect" for Sen. McCain and the adversity and sacrifices he endured during his time as a POW.

Respect for service does not necessarily translate into agreement on issues, or support for public office.

Plus he lost a lot of mine when he backed down on torture policy. And when he voted against benefits for veterans and active military. Over and over again.

 

[montanablur]

At least you can muster up some decency inside you to have a little "respect" for Sen. McCain and the adversity and sacrifices he endured during his time as a POW.

Where is Mike (Flyfisher) when I need him here....

You need Mike to back you up? Pussy. We haven't even gotten to the point where you tell me I wouldn't say this in person and your calling for backup? :rofl:

I have been nothing but decent and respectful to this point, you on the other hand seem to have your panties in bunch over my opinions and factual statements of public figures.

This is the kind of person we need in office.

I'm sorry, but I don't agree that he is the person we need in office and I still don't see the correlation between being a POW and being a leader are. It's like letting the kid that wins a staring contest be the captain of the football team because he has determination.

Again, with all due respect to Senator McCain, 5 1/2 years is a long time anywhere. But maybe flying wasn't his thing? He did place 894th out of a class of 899, that is a pretty poor performance. You would think that crashing three jets prior to being shipped off to Vietnam would be a pretty good indicator to keep himself grounded. His judgment was poor then as it is now.


I'm out, I'm banning myself...

 

[95.D1.Rick]

I'm out, I'm banning myself...

No, dont leave. Please keep writing, its like watching a slow motion train wreck. Fascinating proof extreme liberalism is a mental illness. Tell us some more hollywood stories too.

 

[Steve]

I'm sorry, but I don't agree that he is the person we need in office and I still don't see the correlation between being a POW and being a leader are.

How about sense of duty to your fellow POWs? Its about honor, integrity, things that unless you've manned up and actually served your country, you'll probably never get it.

Tell me the correlation between being tied repeatedly to old school Chicago corruption and being qualified to be the next president?

 

[antichrist]

Yea, that's exactly another case of that.
Basically, what I was trying to say, she's no more guilty of being unable to do things at home which she is perceived to do in the office, than any other person.

Ok, fair enough. But, to use your Bill Clinton example (which I think was the hallway B/J's) I don't think he promoted that as part of the school curriculum, even though I agree he set a piss poor example.

Sarah Palin, on the other hand, wants her method that obviously doesn't work even when, presumably, taught by mother to daughter, as the only sex related education in school.

 

[antichrist]

Its about honor, integrity,

:rofl:
I can't believe anyone could possibly use those terms in the same sentence as McCain. He trashed both of those qualities in May 13, 2006.
And it's a sad comment on Americans that most don't care. Just goes to show how morals in this country have declined.

 

[MarkP]

. . . As far as experience, she has a very limited experience in a small state. . . .

Again, a Presidential candidate running against the VP candidate. Mmmmmmm

Palin and Obama are tied on foriegn policy experience. Given their resume's and an equal starting point Palin will outperform Obama over time.

Palin has significant executive experience while Obama has virtually none. The experience he does have is being covered up to hide corruption.

Any discussion by Obama of Palin's experience will backfire on him. I think we need a debate between Obama and Palin :rofl:

McCain / Palin

? / Obama

 

[apg]

Respect for service does not necessarily translate into agreement on issues, or support for public office.

Plus he lost a lot of mine when he backed down on torture policy. And when he voted against benefits for veterans and active military. Over and over again.

Ah, yes. There is that. McCain has been rated D or lower by virtually every national veteran's organization because he has consistently voted against veterans' issues. Guess who gave the keynote address at the VFW convention in Orlando? Here's a clue: it wasn't McCain....it was Jim Webb (D-VA) who was awarded the VFW Gold Medal and Citation of Merit for his leadership in sponsoring the Post 9/11 GI Bill and for "recognition of exceptional service rendered the country, community, and mankind." So remind me again how all those "country first" and "service" placcards folks were holding up at the repug convention apply to McCain? When it came time to vote on the GI Bill for the 21st Century, McCain couldn't even be bothered to be in DC. Rather, he was at a fund-raising party in California, soliciting from the fat-cats. How/why he thought he could get away with this is a mystery to me. It's that hypocrisy issue again....

 

[landrovered]

:deadhorse:

All I saw last night was a room full of rich white folks, they should have had the convention at the country club.

 

[Steve]

Ah, yes. There is that. McCain has been rated D or lower by virtually every national veteran's organization because he has consistently voted against veterans' issues.

It's that hypocrisy issue again....

There is no hypocrisy here. McCain had asked for revisions and considerations that actually improved veteran rights. He's had a long history of that but some people can't see the forest for the trees. Sometimes a bill is a bad bill.

 

[Roverlady]

Ok, I'm not a McCain supporter or an Obama supporter at this point.

I've been trying to decide between the two and wishing we had other options.

But the VP choices have really made a difference to me. I think Joe Biden is a strong choice. I think Sarah Palin is a disaster.

McCain certainly could have picked another woman with less baggage. He (and she for that matter) knew that discussions of investigations, family priorities and teen sex would come out sooner or later and the sad thing is that very few people are actually talking about her qualifications and/or belief in issues other than Pro-Life, Pro-gun and Pro-abstinence.

I know a lot of women who were going to support Hillary, but they are not going to support Palin just to have a woman in the White House. So, if that was part of the plan for McCain, I don't see it working. I also know quite a few women who are McCain supporters but think Palin was the wrong choice.

I'm looking forward to hearing her speak tonight.

 

[J. Toronado]

There is no hypocrisy here. McCain had asked for revisions and considerations that actually improved veteran rights. He's had a long history of that but some people can't see the forest for the trees. Sometimes a bill is a bad bill.

And further proof of his bad judgment. I would think any bill that improves veterans rights is a good bill especially from someone who is supposed to be a champion for veterans. why do they give him a D rating is he sucks ass all the time? it was a republican held congress for how long? and how many veterans bills did he push thru? i'm just curious. all this 'country first' crap is laughable from a party who backed george bush and dick cheney for office knowing that neither of them ever put their country first in times of war and need. oil first. then family. then texas/wyoming. then..maybe..country.

 

[Steve]

All I saw last night was a room full of rich white folks, they should have had the convention at the country club.

Juxtaposed against the even richer white people at the DNC, where should that had been held? St. Bart's?

 

[rovercanus]

:deadhorse:

All I saw last night was a room full of rich white folks, they should have had the convention at the country club.

You have something against rich white folks? Fucking bigot.

 

[landrovered]

Juxtaposed against the even richer white people at the DNC, where should that had been held? St. Bart's?

At least St. Barts (DNC) is better than Dubai (RNC).

 

[Tempest]

Sarah Palin, on the other hand, wants her method that obviously doesn't work even when, presumably, taught by mother to daughter, as the only sex related education in school.

:smilelol: her position on sex ed is that important to you as part of this election? that is laughable... i could give two shits about that and would rather focus on some of her achievements...

http://dwb.adn.com/news/politics/story/8931698p-8831940c.html

checkout that article...

• "She is only the 14th person in the nation to take out an incumbent governor in a primary. That's about the hardest thing you can do in politics"
• "Analysts said Palin's high ratings stem from making good on campaign promises such as getting the gas pipeline legislation passed and promoting a more open government."

Has NObama promoted a more open government? NObama Voting 97% with party lines promotes openness? Give an example of his bipartisanship efforts / accomplishments...

Give me an example of what NObama has accomplished in the past 2 years besides running for office... something significant.

He's a great community organizer and campaigner... I prefer to have someone in an executive office that executes decisions and gets shit done... even if the decisions are not viewed favorably by all...

 

[2FUELS]

I'd like to be rich and white too, I guess 1 out of 2 ain't bad...

If it looks like a gimmick, and talks like a gimmick, I'm guessing its a gimmick, however, Sarah Palin is John McCains choice, the idiots in the media, Obama supporters, and the rest of the talking heads would do well to STOP TRASHING HER and deal with it.

McCain is risking it all on this choice, quite possibly only to prove once again what a "MAVERICK" he is (frankly, this lable is getting OLD).
I say good luck to the both of them, I'd like to hear more of her views (is an unbiased source even possible these days?) Being an unknown does have its advantages (O'BAMA) I'll reserve any judgemant until She has a chance to speak...

 

[apg]

I say good luck to the both of them, I'd like to hear more of her views (is an unbiased source even possible these days?) Being an unknown does have its advantages (O'BAMA) I'll reserve any judgemant until She has a chance to speak...

Absolutely. That's tonight, right?

 

[Leslie]

I know a lot of women who were going to support Hillary, but they are not going to support Palin just to have a woman in the White House. So, if that was part of the plan for McCain, I don't see it working. I also know quite a few women who are McCain supporters but think Palin was the wrong choice.

Interesting.... my wife said a bunch of the ladies she teaches with were pro-Hillary, and while not specifically choosing to support McCain to get a female VP, but are very happy about her, she seems to be liked in this neck of the woods. Most of the ladies in my office like her, too. However, a lot of the people that were Hillary supporters around here are supporting McCain, because McCain and Hillary have more in common with each other than either do w/ Obama.


One thing I'd like to point out, that I've not seen directly addressed, regarding experience:

Yes, McCain is the Pres (R) nomination opposed to Obama as the Pres (D) nom.... The thing about Palin as the VP nom, she's not the first-string player here, she's going to be put through a crash-course in the job to get her up-to-speed if need be to take McCain's place, but she's NOT the P right off the bat... she doesn't have to exhibit all of the skills in-hand, she has to be someone who has the ability to quickly pick up those skills. That, I think she can do. If McCain kicked the bucket, she's not be alone, she'd have his cabinet in-place, she' not going to operate in a vacuum.

Obama, on the other hand, *is* the P(D) nom, and, has a LOT more to learn in a VERY short time-frame. I don't think he's ready for a P... maybe a VP, but not a P (and, I'm only referring to competence, not policy positions.... I completely disagree w/ him based on his own goals, but, that's the other thread). A Biden/Obama ticket would have made more sense. (Not that I like Biden either....)


I'm fine with Palin. I was more of a Thompson or Huckabee supporter, and McCain wouldn't have been my pick either, but, I can live with him and her. I'm simply glad it's not Guiliani or Romney.

 

[Tempest]

At least St. Barts (DNC) is better than Dubai (RNC).

My wife and I are going to St. Bart's next year and my sister is traveling to Dubai on business later this year... small world.