The never-ending Rack Thread

[Axel]

Or Saddam-Era Iraq.... speak ill of the regime, and you can cancel Christmas (or Eid or Ramadan or whatever you like to call it).

Pretty much, yeah. But we are not going to stop you from buying your own server, colocate it somwhere, build your own website and run it whichever way you want to. You can even charge people to access it if you wish. And we won't touch Christmas.

 

[Rocky]

It's quite simple. There are 3 Admins in 3 different locations (NJ, MD and CA), who also own this site. The site is a hobby, and is with a few exceptions not run by committee. Any decision related to the site made by one Admin/owner is final, non-negotiable, and can not be reversed by any of the other Admins/owners.

In english: Pissing off an Admin is a bad idea.

Just as long as you three still get along Dweb lives.....could be interesting if you pissed each other off and started whacking the other guys ip addresses.......

 

[mikeyb]

damn, lets see...about a year and half ago there were argument about free speech on discoweb. then there was the d-web lounge, then banninationns, then server problems, then a no-discoweb time.

wow, dejavu. guess i better ask all the tech questions i can. i try to remeber the past so i dont repeat it, but this feels all funny to me.

 

[Ted]

Or Saddam-Era Iraq.... speak ill of the regime, and you can cancel Christmas

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WTF dude - It is their website - not a public utility. I seem to recall this nonsense with the infamous Dweb Lounge. There are only several hundred four-wheeling sites on the web. Go use one of them if you think Axel/Ho/Kyle aren't giving you your props. sheesh.

And we won't touch Christmas

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Thanks for that Axel.


Cheers,

Ted

 

[alex3324]

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WTF dude - It is their website - not a public utility. I seem to recall this nonsense with the infamous Dweb Lounge. There are only several hundred four-wheeling sites on the web. Go use one of them if you think Axel/Ho/Kyle aren't giving you your props. sheesh.

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Thanks for that Axel.


Cheers,

Ted

Ted, you got a little somethin on your nose.. let me get that for you.

 

[agro1]

Ted, you got a little somethin on your nose.. let me get that for you.

LOL

But Ted is right to a certain extent...this IS thier site and they can do whatever they fuck they want. But many times doing what you want, and doing what is RIGHT, are not always the same...

 

[draaronr]

LOL

But Ted is right to a certain extent...this IS thier site and they can do whatever they fuck they want. But many times doing what you want, and doing what is RIGHT, are not always the same...

the morale delima, right from wrong, good vs. evil.

 

[alex3324]

LOL

But Ted is right to a certain extent...this IS thier site and they can do whatever they fuck they want. But many times doing what you want, and doing what is RIGHT, are not always the same...

I totally agree, it's their site and they can run it as they see fit. I don't have to like it.

 

[Axel]

LOL

But Ted is right to a certain extent...this IS thier site and they can do whatever they fuck they want. But many times doing what you want, and doing what is RIGHT, are not always the same...

This is very true. Problem is, there are many definitions of RIGHT.

 

[andrewv]

"Somethin on yer nose"


That's some funny shit right there.........

 

[curtis]

Here, I will give you something that will make you think I have somethin' on my nose:

Quit jacking with Ho and Axel. While they may run this site as a united front, they are three VERY different people. Case in point: If Ho runs out tonight and beats some guy to death with his gold presidential, are Axel and Kyle liable? Hell no. Think about it. Why would Ho and Axel be responsible for Kyle? These guys can wipe themselves after going potty.

IMO we have a couple of people here trying to drag others into a problem that is not thiers. Hell, if I was Ax or Ho I would ban you as well. Fortunatlely for you, they have not done that yet.

 

[agro1]

Curtis - your small minded ideals are second to none to your disassociation theory between the owners of this site and their actions as seperate individuals.
Ho stomping some dude with his Prada loafers has nothing to do with DWeb.
Ho stomping some dude that is a DWeb member is a different story.

You reference responsibility.
The responsibility that makes this a "liability" as you put it, is that Kyle uses DWeb to further his business. Business (practices) that have been.....questioned.
So why would it be the business of Kyle or Ho to do anything about it ?

 

[curtis]

Curtis - your small minded ideals are second to none to your disassociation theory between the owners of this site and their actions as seperate individuals.

LOL. Forget the nonsense that you wrote after this. It is a one of your classic dumbass drunk diatribes that makes no sense. Go get some sleep Agro and write back in when you can be a little more coherent.

This is not to mean that I don't get your gist. Now get mine: These guys have a mutual agreement as to how this site is run. IMO that seems to have worked well. It has had its trials before and will continue to, but ANY culpable action by one of its members does not necessarily supercede this agreement. If you don't get this very simple explanation then I don't know any other way to explain it to you.

 

[CADisco]

The terms of how (and why) the Administrators of this site make and execute their decisions should be strickly between them. Thank you for that explanation, Axel it makes things a bit clearer. As was pointed out, this is just a "hobby" and none of the rest of us (to my knowledge) have put up anything to build or maintain the infrastructure that keeps this screen alive.

On a related note, it is true that one measure of "success" is to be able to make money off of something you would do for free. Being able to add to your income while immersed in your hobby is something a lot of people strive to accomplish; and my hat is off to Kyle for using his interests, experience and skills to build such a business. Groups that support hobbys (as this forum) also give such entrepreneurs associations from which they can support their hobby related businesses. These relationships often don't start out for profit, but often later become the primary reason such people stay involved in these groups.

The uniqueness of buying something from a fellow "hobbiest" is also part of the dynamic. You feel good about your purchase because this is a something designed and built by someone who actually uses it just like you do, and who has the experience to get it right. You also want to support such hobbist based entrepreneurs both out of good will and to inspire others to build a better mouse trap and to help you develop your own hobby. There is an emotional buy in as well as a financial one when buying from such people, the emotions of TRUST and FAITH.

 

[agro1]

Curtis - Sorry to have spoken over your head...
What Ho, Axel and KVT do in their own time is their business. I think that's the point we're both trying to make.
The point you're missing, however, is that KVT's business outside DWeb, is not really "outside" and seperate from DWeb.
That's why you have people coming here, to a Land Rover forum, to bitch about it.
Do you think if KVT made racks for Jeeps, we'd be hearing about it here ?? Do you think if Ho had pissed off customers in his garment business we'd be hearing about it here ?
No, we wouldn't. That's because it has NOTHING TO DO WITH DWEB.
But Kyle's business does...

 

[Axel]

But Kyle's business does...

And why is that? Because you say so? Ho and John run EE, are you implying that Kyle and I have some responsibility for how Ho and John runs that business too? Or that it is Dweb related? What about Steve Young and DAP? Or John Miller? Or any other vendor that posts here for that matter. This is a Land Rover related site. Of course you are going to have post about related businesses here. There were post about Kyle's products when he started making them, just like there were posts about EE when it first started up. There have also been posts about direct competitors to EE and Kyle. Don't you think those would have been killed if Dweb was just a vehicle for promoting EE and Roversolutions? And how long do you think these KVT threads would have survived if that was the case? And for how long do you think you would have been allowed to continue to post, despite Kyle's attempt to ban you? Put the crackpipe down for a second and think about that one for a little.

The issues some people have with Roversolutions are with a vendor who cretates products for the Land Rover market. This is a Land Rover related site, so of course they are going to post here about it. Look around and you'll probably find posts about RS and KVT on other LR sites, too. He happens to be one of the Admins of this site, but that does not make what he does on his own time any more related to Dweb than it is to any of the other Land Rover sites out there.

And before you start rehashing your drivel about how we allow Kyle to use this site to promote his products, show me where there is a RoverSolutions ad on this site. Show me an an ad for any business except for the link to Defender Hosting on the front page, and the links to the Dweb store. You won't see any non-Dweb products advertised in the Dweb store, either.

 

[jamsandwich]

quit arguing you little bitches. all of you. (semi-serious)

 

[agro1]

And why is that? Because you say so? Ho and John run EE, are you implying that Kyle and I have some responsibility for how Ho and John runs that business too?

First, Ho runs EE. AFAIK, John is an employee. And I don't see any threads being started around here as a result of EE stiffing customers - John and Ho have their shit together.
Second, I don't remember seeing any threads promoting EE on DWeb. Are you telling me that KVT has never once posted about Roversolutions on Dweb ? Or that he has never used the PM system to communicate with potential customers ?
Becasue if he has; then THAT is using Dweb to further his business. KVT has even said in previous threads, that Dweb represents approx. 5% of his total customer base.

And for how long do you think you would have been allowed to continue to post, despite Kyle's attempt to ban you?

Ban me for what ?? For calling him out and criticizing his business practices ? Hey, if I had started hurling personal insults, calling him names, etc...then there would have been a reason to ban me. But I didn't. I was very careful to abide by the rules you yourself told me to follow, Axel.
I'm not saying you (or Ho) have any responsibility for what Kyle does. What I am saying is that it makes DWeb look bad when one of the owners stiffs people in the Land Rover community, and then comes here and bans people for criticizing him.

 

[Axel]

First, Ho runs EE. AFAIK, John is an employee. .

Really.

And I don't see any threads being started around here as a result of EE stiffing customers - John and Ho have their shit together.

That I agree with. But if someone did have a problem, I wouldn't be surprised to see a post here.

Second, I don't remember seeing any threads promoting EE on DWeb.

That's because you haven't been around long enough.

Are you telling me that KVT has never once posted about Roversolutions on Dweb ? Or that he has never used the PM system to communicate with potential customers ?
Becasue if he has; then THAT is using Dweb to further his business. KVT has even said in previous threads, that Dweb represents approx. 5% of his total customer base.

So what? How is that different from any other vendor doing the same.

Ban me for what ?? For calling him out and criticizing his business practices ? Hey, if I had started hurling personal insults, calling him names, etc...then there would have been a reason to ban me. But I didn't. I was very careful to abide by the rules you yourself told me to follow, Axel.

Which is why I haven't banned you, and I am not going to, either. What I said, was that IF as you implied earlier, this site was just a vehicle for promoting Kyle's business, how long do you think you would have been able to continue this discussion?

I'm not saying you (or Ho) have any responsibility for what Kyle does. What I am saying is that it makes DWeb look bad when one of the owners stiffs people in the Land Rover community, and then comes here and bans people for criticizing him.

Now, that is different from what you have said earlier. This statement actually holds some merit, which is why it is important to realize that Dweb and RS is not one and the same.

 

[agro1]

So what? How is that different from any other vendor doing the same.

Becasue "any other vendor" does not also happen to be an owner of this site.